MysticVegeta

May 24 2013, 02:48 PM

Gohan has more potential.
SSJ4 > Mystic in unlocking potential.

Gohan's got this.

TheACE

May 24 2013, 01:27 AM

Darth Pyrus

May 23 2013, 03:50 AM

Despite being a year older and holding the power advantage, Trunks wasn't able to outclass Goten in anything but trickery and Ki control. They were dead even in their hand-to-hand combat for the most part, with the only disparity coming from when Trunks was able to get Goten in the full nelson until the latter transformed to get out of it. One-armed Trunks was getting his a*** handed to him by Goten, and that's when the former resorted to blasting the latter in the back to force him to hit the stands and be disqualified.

He did show intelligence when Goten was nose-diving, able to assess that the Son boy was using the fall to increase his speed, which is pretty smart, so yeah, I'd give him the intelligence bit as well, but that's only natural given he's from the Briefs family.

And what I meant was that if Goten is much more powerful, all he has to do is shoot a blast and kill Gohan. Hell, he could shoot a lazy blast and accidentally kill Gohan due to his lack of Ki control.

Regarding Goten v Trunks: I still disagree. From the looks of things, Trunks really had a very solid upperhand in pretty much all the categories. During the warm-up was really the only time they were even. Trunks' after images were more effective than Goten's and his Z-Burst & Dragon Dashes far more numerous. Goten's full nelson didn't do much of anything except get him elbowed in the face while Trunks' would have gotten him the match if Goten didn't transform. Sounds like Speed and Strength to me. And sure, Goten could keep up when Trunks used one hand... but he was using one hand. Where i come from we call that a handicap, you use it when you outclass your opponent to keep the fight interesting. So yeah, you can't call it an arse whipping when the other guy is actively reducing his upper body offense and defense by 50%, that's just making par. So there was no point where Goten had anything resembling control over that duel and in any situation nothing but plot could put him over Trunks. Goten's good, but Trunks was certainly better at that point, plain and simple. Hell I think the only "trick" persay was when he turned into a Super Saiyan and shot his energy blast, violating a meta-rule yes but not the actual spirit or rules of the competition. Any other time, like when Goten got caught at the half way mark, Goten just couldn't read his moves and was too slow or too dim to counter.
Ki, Physical Strength, Overall Control, Intellegence, Tactics, Speed. Goten's got Tenacity and a positive attitude but not much else. Those all sounds like classes, and if 6 categories isn't being outclassed then I don't know what is. Trunks owned that fight period.

Regarding Goten w/ Huge Power Gap: Presumably, but I think the battle was concieved under the idea that the gap was minimal enough for it to be competetive, in which case I'd say it's moot. But I'm picking up what you're dropping now mate.

Vegeta8558

May 23 2013, 06:50 PM

Darth Pyrus

May 23 2013, 06:46 PM

Something's wrong with Toei.

Maybe the ritual would've taken longer than getting Goku's tail out.

Yeah maybe but still I think that Old Kai should at least mention his unlocking powers to someone,like he did to Gohan,we didn't hear anyone said something about his abillities,why do you think they do that ?

Well there was a reason Old Kai didn't sit Goku down during the Buu Arc (especially since he knew he could revivie him if unnecessary). Maybe it only works on certain people. Which is why we didn't end up with a Mystic Vegeta or a Mystic Krillin. Super Saiyan Four seems a bit more linear and universal so it was probably more appropriate. I.E. if Goten was a Super Saiyan Four and Gohan was Mystic this works better because Mystic seems to be pre populated and Super Saiyan Four appears quadratic in it's increase in power.

Professor Gohan

May 24 2013, 05:28 PM

Why wouldn't Gohan and Goten have the same potential? As well as Trunks and Trunks?

Also.. How does SSJ4 boost > Mystic Boost up?

SuperSaiyan3

May 24 2013, 11:56 PM

Professor Gohan

May 24 2013, 05:28 PM

Why wouldn't Gohan and Goten have the same potential? As well as Trunks and Trunks?

Also.. How does SSJ4 boost > Mystic Boost up?

Goten got SSJ when he was a mere child, whereas Gohan had to do some work to obtain it. It leads me to believe Goten had more potential.

Professor Gohan

May 25 2013, 12:38 AM

But I guess I believe Goku's potential > Vegeta's so never mind on that one.