TheACE

May 23 2013, 03:27 AM

Darth Pyrus

May 23 2013, 02:43 AM

Goten only lost to Trunks based on a tournament rule. In this fight that rule wouldn't exist. I'm sure if their fight had gone on, either Trunks would've had to have tricked Goten or he would've lost fairly since despite his minor power advantage, Goten might've been more skilled in martial arts.

And if the gap is big enough between Goten and Gohan, it wouldn't matter if Goten isn't as smart as his older brother.

Nah I'mma call you on that one. Trunks is physically stronger, he's faster and ultimately smarter and has a wider variety of techniques and skills. He outclasses Goten in every category, so that's a solid win.

And that's a damned big IF. Intellegence is a statistic. As is physical strength, durability, staminia and overall skill. Even if the Goten's intellegence doesn't matter, his skill or lack thereof will. Again, all of his training is Gohan and Chi-Chi's at this point. Chi-Chi's style is a diluted version of Kame-Sennin Ryu learned by the Ox King and Gohan's is a combination of Kame Sennin Ryu and Evil & Dragon Tribe Namekian Styles. There is NOTHING Goten can do to gain a significant edge in the Martial Arts or strategically. I mean if we're rocking potential vs potential (Although I'm still convinced that the Super Saiyan Four Form is a multiplier and not a set power level like Mystic...) then at best Goten and Gohan are dead even. So ultimately it comes down to who the better fighter, best tactician and finally the most adaptable. And historically, that's Gohan. He's experienced, he's intelligent, he's talented, he's a full-fledged master, he's Son Mother Loving Gohan and he's not gonna get his arse beat by his seven year old brother.

Drew

May 23 2013, 09:12 AM

SSJ4 is a potential unlock. Old Kai's unlock takes a person far beyond their limits.

There are a few different reasons why SSJ4 was used instead of unlocking Goku's potential;

1) Goku held much, much more experience fighting in an adult body
2) Old Kai unlocking his potential would take too much time, which Goku had little of

IllogicalGlory

May 23 2013, 03:01 AM

Darth Pyrus

May 23 2013, 02:10 AM

"Mystic" or as I call it "Fantastic" is a potential unlock and then a lot more. It's much stronger than Super Saiyan 4.

Man, that don't make an ounce of sense. If Mystic is better, then why didn't Elder Kai, oh I don't know, use that instead? It's not like it would have taken any longer than his initial plan to regrow Goku's tail.

SSJ4 must hold some advantage over mystic.

Drew

May 23 2013, 09:12 AM

SSJ4 is a potential unlock. Old Kai's unlock takes a person far beyond their limits.

There are a few different reasons why SSJ4 was used instead of unlocking Goku's potential;

1) Goku held much, much more experience fighting in an adult body
2) Old Kai unlocking his potential would take too much time, which Goku had little of

Darth Pyrus

May 23 2013, 06:28 PM

Episode 32
Time: 8m25s
Context: Goku and Kibitoshin want to know why they need a pair of pliers
Elder Kaioshin: "Getting Goku's tail to grow out was the purpose of all the training up until now."
Goku: "My tail?"
Elder Kaioshin: "That is the only way to call up Goku's idle power."

Apparently that was the only way Goku could have his dormant power released at the time.

Darth Pyrus

May 23 2013, 06:46 PM

Something's wrong with Toei.

Maybe the ritual would've taken longer than getting Goku's tail out.

Darth Pyrus

May 23 2013, 03:50 AM

Despite being a year older and holding the power advantage, Trunks wasn't able to outclass Goten in anything but trickery and Ki control. They were dead even in their hand-to-hand combat for the most part, with the only disparity coming from when Trunks was able to get Goten in the full nelson until the latter transformed to get out of it. One-armed Trunks was getting his a*** handed to him by Goten, and that's when the former resorted to blasting the latter in the back to force him to hit the stands and be disqualified.

He did show intelligence when Goten was nose-diving, able to assess that the Son boy was using the fall to increase his speed, which is pretty smart, so yeah, I'd give him the intelligence bit as well, but that's only natural given he's from the Briefs family.

And what I meant was that if Goten is much more powerful, all he has to do is shoot a blast and kill Gohan. Hell, he could shoot a lazy blast and accidentally kill Gohan due to his lack of Ki control.

Vegeta8558

May 23 2013, 06:50 PM

Darth Pyrus

May 23 2013, 06:46 PM

Something's wrong with Toei.

Maybe the ritual would've taken longer than getting Goku's tail out.

Yeah maybe but still I think that Old Kai should at least mention his unlocking powers to someone,like he did to Gohan,we didn't hear anyone said something about his abillities,why do you think they do that ?