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Stamina vs Power
Topic Started: May 16 2013, 08:06 PM (3,949 Views)
+ miguelnuva May 17 2013, 10:25 AM Post #16
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May 17 2013, 03:42 AM
In terms of stamina, this is how I'd rank the forms:

Mastered Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan 4
Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan 2
Super Saiyan Grade 2
Super Saiyan 3
Super Saiyan Grade 3
Is Ki the same as stamina because while Goku was more relaxed in SSJ4 then SSJ3 the ki drain seemed about the same.
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SSJ May 17 2013, 11:14 AM Post #17
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 KP and Curry: Is there evidence to make SSJ 2 have more stamina drain than SSJ? From what we saw, Gohan didn't really drain. And the reason why SSJ 2 Vegeta needed a senzu bean was because he and Goku were pounding each other.
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NavonWise May 17 2013, 01:42 PM Post #18
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 I would have put MSSJ 100, doesn't Goku say they were aiming to get the SSJ form to feel completely natural? If that's the case, there is no ki consumption at all, but it's just in 98 so I guess it doesn't hurt at all.
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Professor Gohan May 17 2013, 01:45 PM Post #19
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Great table, SSJ2. You got an A+.

That sounds great about FPSSJ.

But I'd like to know why FPSSJ > SSJ4
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DSB May 17 2013, 01:48 PM Post #20
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 I would like me question to be answered , SSj2 <_<
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NavonWise May 17 2013, 01:48 PM Post #21
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 In terms of stamina? Well like Goku says, there is no ki consumption at all unless he raises his PL and starts fighting. But GT is something I don't mess around with, I don't know much about SSJ4 and from what I hear, pieces of glass was hurting SSJ4 Goku so if that's true...
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Alex D. Boss May 17 2013, 02:03 PM Post #22
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 Nice table SSJ2. Great work.
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Hurry My Curry May 17 2013, 02:20 PM Post #23
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May 17 2013, 11:14 AM
KP and Curry: Is there evidence to make SSJ 2 have more stamina drain than SSJ? From what we saw, Gohan didn't really drain. And the reason why SSJ 2 Vegeta needed a senzu bean was because he and Goku were pounding each other.
No there isn't (as far as I know), that's why I asked what your basis for SSjin 2 stamina was. Hmm, I'd say Vegeta took a senzu bean only because he was tired from his fight and he was going to fight Majin Boo.
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Reldar May 17 2013, 04:31 PM Post #24
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 If SSJ1 has a minor strain and SSJ3 has a large strain, it's only logical to assume that SSJ2 falls somewhere in between.

SSJ2 and SSJ3 are both advancements of SSJ1. Why would certain aspects (strain) be lost and gained again through level progression?
Direct evidence is not always required to form an accurate conclusion.

Edited by Reldar, May 17 2013, 04:33 PM.
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+ Pyrus May 17 2013, 05:42 PM Post #25
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Grade 2
 
A power-up where every nerve is concentrated, sending ki throughout the body and inflating the muscles. This is capable of raising both power and speed much higher than a Super Saiyan.

Grade 3
 
This form is capable of drawing out immense power, inflating muscles to their limit. However, this kills speed and movement becomes sluggish; on top of that, the burden on the body is also great.

SSjin 2
 
This form has power that surpasses Super Saiyan in all ways. Gohan naturally transformed into this form through his anger at Cell's brutal actions, while Goku and Vegeta learned it through harsh training.

SSjin 3
 
The strongest form of Super Saiyan, which draws the hidden power of a Saiyan out to its limits. However, due to the large energy consumption of this form, outside of the afterlife one can only stay transformed for a limited amount of time.

I suppose there isn't much comparing the strain between an un-mastered Super Saiyan and a Super Saiyan 2.

Super Saiyan 4 didn't look like it had much strain at all. Even when Goku was basically out of power, he remained in the form against Baby and Super Yi Xing Long.
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lunar2 May 17 2013, 06:00 PM Post #26
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 @kaioken forms. other than basic kaioken, these should be below all other forms in terms of stamina. goku was only able to maintain them for extremely short bursts, and he did massive damage to his body in the process.

while KKX10 should probably have about the stamina that kk originally did, kkx20 was stated to have been too much. it should probably be around the same as kkx3.

mssj/fpssj should probably be 100.

ssj2 should be the same as ssj (it is essentially transforming into an ssj while already an mssj)

ussj should be above living world ssj3, but still below otherworld ssj3, imo. it has a big drain, but it was never actually an issue in combat, whereas living world ssj3 was a huge issue.
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SSJ May 17 2013, 07:05 PM Post #27
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May 17 2013, 04:55 AM
Nice Table

But , shouldnt SSj2's Stamina ~ FPSSj's Stamina ?

its not like we saw any kind of strain in the SSj2 form

But we also never knew if it was mastered like SSJ was. You may think it was, but since it was never really brought up, I'm going to think there is some strain on it.
NavonWise
May 17 2013, 01:42 PM
I would have put MSSJ 100, doesn't Goku say they were aiming to get the SSJ form to feel completely natural? If that's the case, there is no ki consumption at all, but it's just in 98 so I guess it doesn't hurt at all.

They wanted it to feel natural, but there will always be strain in my opinion. You would even lose energy in base if you just stood there for days. There is no way to have 100% energy all of the time, it will always drain.
Reldar
May 17 2013, 04:31 PM
If SSJ1 has a minor strain and SSJ3 has a large strain, it's only logical to assume that SSJ2 falls somewhere in between.

SSJ2 and SSJ3 are both advancements of SSJ1. Why would certain aspects (strain) be lost and gained again through level progression?
Direct evidence is not always required to form an accurate conclusion.


Not necessarily. From what we saw, the effects of SSJ 2 were very minor, so I decided to make it higher than SSJ. Goku had to actually master SSJ so there was no strain, but we never saw this with SSJ 2.

@Lunar: I agree with Kaioken x3, I think I will lower it.
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POOHEAD189 May 17 2013, 11:53 PM Post #28
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 I'd think the kaioken x 3 stamina would be a tad higher, considering he could go kaioken x 4 without imploding.
Either way, impressive chart.

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If SSJ1 has a minor strain and SSJ3 has a large strain, it's only logical to assume that SSJ2 falls somewhere in between.

True, but Goku would not stop talking about how SSJ3 was draining him to death literally. I'd say SSJ 2 is twice the strain as 1, and SSJ3 is 4x-8x the strain.
Edited by POOHEAD189, May 17 2013, 11:55 PM.
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