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| + Pyrus | May 15 2013, 11:16 PM Post #1 |
 
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In terms of plot progression and saturation, was introducing Fusion too much? Or was it needed to keep the Boo arc fresh? As a note, Potara counts as Fusion. |
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| Saberoph | May 15 2013, 11:25 PM Post #2 |
 
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As for bringing it in, I don't think it was too much, but I do think it was used too much. For me, I think each version of the Fusion should have been used only Once. Goten and Trunks getting Two Fail Fusions then us seeing Four more Fusions, then Two Potara's and nearly seeing a Third Potara, was just a little much for my taste. But, that's just me. |
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May 15 2013, 11:47 PM Post #3 |
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I think it was too much. A nice, well thought of idea for more power, but it's just totally different from what it was during the earlier part of the series. I wouldn't mind if fusion(dance and earrings) weren't ever written in, but it's not something that I just hate either. I'd much rather have seen some more training routines and traveling to get powerful to take on the villain(Boo). |
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| * Crashbreaka | May 16 2013, 12:17 AM Post #4 |
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Maybe it was used too much as far as 'extending the plot as much as possible' went, but I generally don't mind it. |
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| Billa | May 16 2013, 12:52 AM Post #5 |
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The whole series IMO "decayed" with Gotenks Fusion, fusion training in HTC, all that crap. Goku & Vegeta's fusion simply rejuvenated the dying franchise & IMO boosted the series once again. Plot-progression might come to stale-mate at that point of time in Buu Saga, but DBZ's all action & Potara Fusion delivered. 2 Hyper badass rivals unite to take on the Greatest villain ever faced. Few series could take pride on that! |
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| Goddess Ultimecia | May 16 2013, 12:55 AM Post #6 |
 
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I would've liked it if it wasnt used as much as it was. That or if Gotenks had killed Super Buu (which would really p off the Gotenks haters). However i felt as though Vegito was AT's way of redeeming the series at that point. |
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| NavonWise | May 16 2013, 01:18 AM Post #7 |
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I think it was needed. Look at the other two sagas and how prepared they were to battle the villains; they fly to Namek, tell Brief that they're in trouble, Goku flies to Namek and trains, preparing himself to battle Frieza and save his friends. Cell, Trunks appears, warns them about two new beings that would take a dump on Frieza's face in 3 years, they prepare for the upcoming battle, etc. Buu, came out of the blue, no one was prepared, etc. At the moment, fusion was needed, since AT did not plan on having Goku be the hero again. Fusion was most likely introduced to give Gohan time to "train" and get stronger so he can be the hero again, but as we know, AT quickly changes his mind and had to think of something to downgrade Buu but at the same time, stop Gohan's giant upgrade. |
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| Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro | May 16 2013, 01:25 AM Post #8 |
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I thought it was cool. |
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| + miguelnuva | May 16 2013, 02:23 AM Post #9 |
 
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Personally I would have made Gogeta be the one to beat Kid Buu. Fusion and SSJ3 had to share a saga where as before we had Zenkais to tease SSJ and then the ascended forms to tease SSJ2. SSJ3 and Fusion were both big plot points that a saga could have been based on. |
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| NavonWise | May 16 2013, 02:36 AM Post #10 |
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I always liked the way AT chose to end his series as far as manga goes. Two planets and other world chipping in to destroy this evil and save the universe; it showed unity...in a strange and stupid way. But it showed that they can save themselves, so Vegeta was right about letting the earthlings help out once in a while. |
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| IllogicalGlory | May 16 2013, 02:44 AM Post #11 |
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Well, the one problem with fusion is that it degrades Goten and Trunks as their own characters; if I'm honest, it was pretty clear to me that Goten and Trunks only existed for the sake of fusing, which makes makes the boys on their own less of their own characters. As for its implementation, it was alright, though Gotenks was a bit of Creator's Pet, and sometimes annoying. Not to mention I hate the giant gaps between the high and low tier Boo saga characters; it just does not seem right to me that Goku and Vegeta should be so horribly outmatched, I also that I find it hard to believe that, with those giant gaps, it's even possible for Gotenks Boo not to just vaporize Goku the second he put himself back together. Or for him to not accidentally kill Tien with that kick. Or for any of the Kais to have survived Buff Boo. The extremeness of fusion just spawned a lot of durability feats that can almost be considered plot holes. Kind of like Mr. Satan not being blinked out of existence by Omega Shenron's kick in GT. As for fusion as plot device, it devalued Goten and Trunks, but apart from that, it was pretty cool. Edited by IllogicalGlory, May 16 2013, 02:44 AM.
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| + Kyouks | May 16 2013, 02:50 AM Post #12 |
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Probably. Reading/watching the Boo arc, it always seems to plow right through SSJ2 to SSJ3 to fusion to Potara, unlike before in which the one form of Super Saiyan was expanded on a bit. Bad enough that SSJ2 only had one moment in the sun (and one more in the entire series) before SSJ3 came about, but then new methods continued to come about, being used many times and amounting to, in the long run...not much. At least in the Cell arc the Saiyans learned from their mistakes in using the buffed up SSJ grade forms, but in the Boo arc, fusion was used many times for a large chunk of the arc and then tossed aside without anything really resulting from it, if that makes sense. |
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| TheACE | May 16 2013, 02:58 AM Post #13 |
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Fusion was kind of a shark jump. But this is a series which is a shark jump within of itself as far as martial arts adventure shows go, so it's ok. My only problem with Fusion is that it didn't contribute anything relevant. They only guy that's actually won a fight through fusion was Gogeta during his brief duel with Janemba. And of course Gotenks kicked Hitler's arse, but I'm not sure if that's an acheivement or just something we're glad he did (It's Hitler after all). I mean, it was cool, and Z thrives on Rule of Cool, but it's never actually KILLED anybody, and I really did get sick of the word "Fusion" after that. And then everything was a fusion. I think it was abused far too much with no real consequence on the plot. And it did kinda kill Goten's character (I don't think Trunks suffered quite as much since he was atleast established as a troublemaker and prankster, but Goten was blander than water flavored yogurt.) until he finally grew a personality in GT. Not much of a personality, but something that actually made me remember his name instead of mistaking him for Goku Jr or Gohan 2.0. That and I've always found Vegetto over-rated (Especially since he's technically never accomplished anything... but that goes for anyone that got trapped in seasons 7 through 9). I'm also tired of seeing what-if & theoretical fusions vs established characters in the Versus forums, but that's a peeve and not actually an issue with the concept. |
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| IllogicalGlory | May 16 2013, 03:04 AM Post #14 |
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The reason you see those is because literally every other (non-obvious) versus topic has been done before, probably multiple times. With fusion, you have a much bigger pool of characters to work with. Besides it's not nearly as bad as SSJ5 Bulma vs Cell or whatever. Topics like those use to be allowed, they were far more annoying than fusion topics (no offense to anyone who posted or enjoyed those topics). SSJ4 Master Roshi vs Recoome. Buckets of fun. |
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| + miguelnuva | May 16 2013, 03:06 AM Post #15 |
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Buu arc would have been better if pressure was put on Goten and Trunks becoming SSJ2 and Gohan becoming a SSJ3. In the fusion/potara arc we deal we now needing the boys to fuse and Gohan getting his potential unlocked and finally Goku and Vegeta returning for their potara fusion the potara being split and then Gogeta winning the final battle. |
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