Why was Freeza still a Huge Opponent for Android Saga Tien ?

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Why was Freeza still a Huge Opponent for Android Saga Tien ?
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+ Clearin	May 15 2013, 03:12 PM Post #16
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Alex KloonBoss May 15 2013, 03:10 PM Clearin May 15 2013, 01:38 PM Yeah I don't think that version of the Tri Beam was all that special. Personally I think it was just a massive Kiai. It can push anyone back but it can't kill them (Unless they're really weak? I'm not sure if Kiai's can kill at all.) If it can held back a superior opponent , it would kill someone like Frieza. Simple logic... Unless Kiai's can't kill at all and can only push opponents back... If it's really that simple then it wouldn't explain why Tien didn't use the technique on the Androids, or the weaker version of Cell.



Alex D. Boss	May 15 2013, 03:13 PM Post #17
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Simple. Plot.



+ Clearin	May 15 2013, 03:15 PM Post #18
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Okay then, sir, please show me any time a Kiai has done any kind of actual damage to an opponent rather than just blown them back.



lunar2	May 15 2013, 03:17 PM Post #19
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	the original kikoho, when fired as a kiai, would have killed goku at the 22nd budokai had he not dodged it. if the original kikoho is capable of killing an opponent of roughly equal power, then the shin kikoho is capable of killing a much stronger opponent. in fact, even as far back as the trunks saga, tien's shin kikoho probably could have killed frieza or king cold (although that would have derailed the plot entirely).
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Frostmourne	May 15 2013, 03:19 PM Post #20
Lord of the Scourge Posts: 1,382 Group: Member Member #6,379 Joined: June 20, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonall Z What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	DSB May 15 2013, 02:13 PM He knows his own moves and exactly how much power his move has . and he could sense Cell's ki what else is needed ? Do you really think that Tien was that confident on stoping such a powerful such as Cell? If he would have known how strong his attack would be, wouldn't he used it against Frieza or even the androids? Or other villians. I can't see Tien trying his very best to stop Cell from reaching his perfect state, even if he doesn't know if it will be enough. Not always are people in Z sure how strong exactly the attack will be against the opponent aswell. Edited by Frostmourne, May 15 2013, 03:25 PM.
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~~DSB~~	May 15 2013, 03:32 PM Post #21
The Showstopper Posts: 3,850 Group: Suspended Member #8,626 Joined: November 29, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox 16 Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Frostmourne May 15 2013, 03:19 PM DSB May 15 2013, 02:13 PM He knows his own moves and exactly how much power his move has . and he could sense Cell's ki what else is needed ? Do you really think that Tien was that confident on stoping such a powerful such as Cell? If he would have known how strong his attack would be, wouldn't he used it against Frieza or even the androids? Or other villians. I can't see Tien trying his very best to stop Cell from reaching his perfect state, even if he doesn't know if it will be enough. Not always are people in Z sure how strong exactly the attack will be against the opponent aswell. If u are trying to prove that it was just luck , u are going to the wrong direction Tien will never use it unless he is confident on using it
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+ Pyrus	May 15 2013, 03:53 PM Post #22
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	The sheer force of the kiai could probably do quite a bit of damage to someone on Freeza's level. The raw power of it doesn't have to necessarily be all that impressive if you want to go that route.
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+ Pointer	May 15 2013, 03:59 PM Post #23
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Alex KloonBoss May 15 2013, 03:10 PM Clearin May 15 2013, 01:38 PM Yeah I don't think that version of the Tri Beam was all that special. Personally I think it was just a massive Kiai. It can push anyone back but it can't kill them (Unless they're really weak? I'm not sure if Kiai's can kill at all.) If it can held back a superior opponent , it would kill someone like Frieza. Simple logic... a strong wind can hold you back whilst it cant kill a rat .....



+ Pyrus	May 15 2013, 04:01 PM Post #24
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	A strong enough wind actually could kill a rat.
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+ Pointer	May 15 2013, 04:02 PM Post #25
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Darth Pyrus May 15 2013, 04:01 PM A strong enough wind actually could kill a rat. a strong enough wind can kill you too



+ Pyrus	May 15 2013, 04:06 PM Post #26
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Abyss May 15 2013, 04:02 PM Darth Pyrus May 15 2013, 04:01 PM A strong enough wind actually could kill a rat. a strong enough wind can kill you too No wind can kill me. My control of the Force prevents such a thing. But I agree with what you were saying anyway.
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* Ketchup Revenge	May 15 2013, 04:10 PM Post #27
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Kikoho uses something other than ki. There are several energy forces in the body, and ki is only one of them. For example, Toriyama stated that Genki was a different type of energy than ki. Therefore I agree with Abyss. Tenshinhan was under 120 mil at the end of Z, but I'm going an extra step by stating that I'm a firm believer that he wasn't even close. Even if he reached 10 mil, I think that would be lucky. Humans don't increase anywhere near as much as Saiyans do, and they don't stay in their prime as long (hence Vegeta's comment about Saiyan's slowed aging at the end of Z). This is only one of a few things to consider. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, May 15 2013, 04:13 PM.
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Aman741	May 15 2013, 04:19 PM Post #28
The Prince of All Saiyans/Debaters. Posts: 411 Group: Member Member #9,251 Joined: March 25, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Fairy Tail What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z(done), Naruto(done), Fairy Tail(reading)	Well let's sate what Frieza is better than Tien... Tien: Wider view of exploring areas and sensing attacks. Kikoho Frieza: Faster than tien. Can estimate his power if he is in Mecha body. Can actually tank nearly all of human's hit. Can kill him with a finger. Seeing that Tien only trained hard enough for him to stop cell by using more times Kikoho then he usually did, I will say there is around 35/100% of a chance for Frieza to actually die.
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+ Pointer	May 15 2013, 04:20 PM Post #29
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	KetchupRevenge May 15 2013, 04:10 PM Kikoho uses something other than ki. There are several energy forces in the body, and ki is only one of them. For example, Toriyama stated that Genki was a different type of energy than ki. Therefore I agree with Abyss. Tenshinhan was under 120 mil at the end of Z, but I'm going an extra step by stating that I'm a firm believer that he wasn't even close. Even if he reached 10 mil, I think that would be lucky. Humans don't increase anywhere near as much as Saiyans do, and they don't stay in their prime as long (hence Vegeta's comment about Saiyan's slowed aging at the end of Z). This is only one of a few things to consider. well the funny thing is that if we accept this , krillin would be 'weak' too



* Ketchup Revenge	May 15 2013, 04:36 PM Post #30
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Abyss May 15 2013, 04:20 PM KetchupRevenge May 15 2013, 04:10 PM Kikoho uses something other than ki. There are several energy forces in the body, and ki is only one of them. For example, Toriyama stated that Genki was a different type of energy than ki. Therefore I agree with Abyss. Tenshinhan was under 120 mil at the end of Z, but I'm going an extra step by stating that I'm a firm believer that he wasn't even close. Even if he reached 10 mil, I think that would be lucky. Humans don't increase anywhere near as much as Saiyans do, and they don't stay in their prime as long (hence Vegeta's comment about Saiyan's slowed aging at the end of Z). This is only one of a few things to consider. well the funny thing is that if we accept this , krillin would be 'weak' too Krillin's the strongest human (aside from Oob of course), but that doesn't mean that he can hold water when compared to a Super Saiyan. Even regular Super Saiyans are still considered to have god-like power, even at the end of the series. Only a select few can contend with Goku and Vegeta by the end of the series. Humans are not a warrior race, and even their strongest doesn't even come close to being compared to a Super Saiyan. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, May 15 2013, 04:37 PM.
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