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Was SSj4 Vegeta = SSj4 Goku [@Omega]
Topic Started: May 15 2013, 08:55 AM (2,197 Views)
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It's pretty obvious that he did increase his power though. He was able to hold SS4 Goku down as an Oozaru, plus Goku wasn't stated to have lost any Ki until after fusion.
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Both would have to be equal in power for the fusion to produce Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta. Logically base GT Vegeta would be weaker than base GT Son Goku.
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Well if you use the x? boost, that makes sense as he is in fresh form.

His base is stronger than Goku when Goku was fighting Omega.
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Why isn't the argument "it's just a bunch of non canon crap full of obvious and gaping potholes that don't make sense" not ever valid with GT?
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Because that's too easy.

And saying "It's GT" is as much of a copout argument as saying "Plot".

Anyone can say "It's GT or Plot" but to actually sit down and think of and use a logical explanation to figure out something, helps contribute to a Thread.
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...but when the "logical" outcome doesn't exist..? It's a PLOT HOLE.
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There's a way to come up with an explanation that works and makes sense.
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The best thing I can say is don't acknowledge it if it's bothering you.

What's the point in having a place to talk about GT.. When are we're gonna at is plot hole, plot, ha*, and everything else?

I watch Z anime and read the manga ad there's mistakes throughout. Same stuff.
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For all we know fusion only picked up ssj4 at that point and not equal powers. I'm on my phone so I'll post a full answer later.
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May 15 2013, 05:57 PM
Why isn't the argument "it's just a bunch of non canon crap full of obvious and gaping potholes that don't make sense" not ever valid with GT?
That's a s***ty argument. Did you see the thread where most of the supposed "plotholes" were explained?
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1. Goku is shown to be greater then Vegeta from Frieza saga on to the shadow dragon saga. The fact that Goku as a child had a PL of 10 and Vegeta was say 12,000 proves that Goku has more potential then Veegta. Vegeta had a huge head start and yet Goku was able to not only surpass him Goku was able to outclass another saiyan by the time the Buu saga came around that Vegeta had given up on beating Goku.

2. In the baby saga I believe it was stated that Bulma's blutz waves machines were better then those of the full moon.

3. In GT nothing had the same rules as they did in Z. Goku and Vegeta wanted to fuse right after their first fusion dissolved so to say that SSJ4 power is so huge that Goku and Vegeta didn't need to be equal in power in order for fusion to work.

4. In theory the way GT is set up there is nothing wrong with having 3 SSJ4 power levels. SSJ4 Goku(baby saga) SSJ4 Goku(surpassed limits) and SSJ4 Vegeta. Super 17 had to absorb a lot of energy to get stronger then SSJ4 Goku and the shadow dragons were incredible weak or strong depending on the episode.

5. Despite not trying Nova was able to make Vegeta look silly while Vegeta was taking the fight seriously. I can't remember Goku vs Nova 100% but I believe while Goku was able to keep up somewhat with Nova and his attacks just took a long time to charge Vegeta was unable to keep up with Nova at all.

6. While SSJ4 is more natural on the body wasn't the ki drain somewhat similar to SSJ3's kii drain? Goku used a 10xKHH on Syn,a dragon fist and stayed in the SSJ4 for a long time before Vegeta even appeared in the form, it isn't a stretch to say Goku had used a lot of energy fighting Omega.
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Si wasn't trying to hurt Vegeta. Vegeta suffered no damage.

It wasn't a fight to really judge anything on.
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May 15 2013, 09:16 PM
1. Goku is shown to be greater then Vegeta from Frieza saga on to the shadow dragon saga. The fact that Goku as a child had a PL of 10 and Vegeta was say 12,000 proves that Goku has more potential then Veegta. Vegeta had a huge head start and yet Goku was able to not only surpass him Goku was able to outclass another saiyan by the time the Buu saga came around that Vegeta had given up on beating Goku.
I disagree here. Goku got ahead with far more beneficial training and life style. He was trained by Gods several times in the other world while Vegeta was stuck with inferior training and for a long time didn't take care of his body. He also transformed before him because he had emotions unlike the Prince. I think it's debatable who had more potential but IMO Vegeta did.
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Why isn't the argument "it's just a bunch of non canon crap full of obvious and gaping potholes that don't make sense" not ever valid with GT?
That's a s***ty argument. Did you see the thread where most of the supposed "plotholes" were explained?
There are always people who can come up with any manner of explanation for anything. They doesn't make it valid.
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May 15 2013, 11:01 PM
miguelnuva
May 15 2013, 09:16 PM
1. Goku is shown to be greater then Vegeta from Frieza saga on to the shadow dragon saga. The fact that Goku as a child had a PL of 10 and Vegeta was say 12,000 proves that Goku has more potential then Veegta. Vegeta had a huge head start and yet Goku was able to not only surpass him Goku was able to outclass another saiyan by the time the Buu saga came around that Vegeta had given up on beating Goku.
I disagree here. Goku got ahead with far more beneficial training and life style. He was trained by Gods several times in the other world while Vegeta was stuck with inferior training and for a long time didn't take care of his body. He also transformed before him because he had emotions unlike the Prince. I think it's debatable who had more potential but IMO Vegeta did.
Vegeta was in the military and knew of saiyan customs. Vegeta started with a huge power advantage. Vegeta always takes what Goku does and bends it to his style but when we get to the Buu saga and on he simply can't keep up anymore.

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Vegeta was serious though.
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