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Was SSj4 Vegeta = SSj4 Goku [@Omega]
Topic Started: May 15 2013, 08:55 AM (2,194 Views)
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When Vegeta went SSj4 , was his power equal to SSJ4 Goku ?

and if thats the case , does it mean that Vegeta's Potential > Goku's Potential in GT ?
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When Vegeta went SSj4 , was his power equal to SSJ4 Goku ?

Not exactly. There was no mention of either of them having to lower their power to match the other's, so it can be assumed that they had about the exact same amount.

Goku had undergone a "beyond limits" power-up, which boosted his power 10-fold from what it normally was. He fought Yi Xing Long and used a Ryu Ken on him, but all of that was never noted to have dropped his power so much that his 10-fold power-up was basically gone. I think the first time a drastic drop in power was noted for him was after they'd failed as Gogeta once and were trying to fuse again.

With that in mind, after Vegeta achieved the transformation, he and Goku were able to fuse right away. That would mean Vegeta was as strong as Goku at the time, which would also mean he would have been stronger than Goku if the latter hadn't received the 10-fold power-up, which leads into your next question.
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and if thats the case , does it mean that Vegeta's Potential > Goku's Potential in GT ?

At that point in time, sure, it's entirely feasible. Goku had used Super Saiyan 4 plenty of times already, unlocking his potential each time. It probably didn't have time to bounce back up to unfathomable levels by the time Vegeta, a fighter who hadn't had his potential tapped in over 15 years, joined the club.

SSjin 4 Goku (surpassed limits, fresh) > SSjin 4 Vegeta = SSjin 4 Goku (surpassed limits, post-Ryu Ken) >>> SSjin 4 Goku
Edited by Pyrus, May 15 2013, 09:29 AM.
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And SSj4 Goku was always Surpassed limits , wasnt he ?


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Goku had used Super Saiyan 4 plenty of times already, unlocking his potential each time. It probably didn't have time to bounce back up to unfathomable levels


Well , Goku already got SSj4 , which means he got his potential Unlocked .
Do u mean to say that every time goku went SSj4 , his potential [which gets reset every time he goes SSj4] comes out ?
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Vegeta got owened by Nova.
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^ its when Both of their powers went significantly down
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At that point in time, sure, it's entirely feasible. Goku had used Super Saiyan 4 plenty of times already, unlocking his potential each time. It probably didn't have time to bounce back up to unfathomable levels by the time Vegeta, a fighter who hadn't had his potential tapped in over 15 years, joined the club.


You're a believer in this? It works so Vegeta can equal Goku but is there anything to support his potential gets unlocked through the form over and over again?

His base gets boosted, but from fighting ?? Like usual ??
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Even if his potential doesnt rise constantly , it doesnt negate the fact that Vegeta's potential >>> Goku's Potential in GT
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Maybe the artificial Bruits had something to do with his power getting up that high to match Goku's.

Because there's no reason to believe Vegeta's potential > Goku's. nope.
Edited by Professor Gohan, May 15 2013, 02:01 PM.
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Its never said that the Artificial Blutz wave increases power

Bulma said that she can make Vegeta an SSj4 with that , not increase his power after transforming
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I am thinking that his power decreased a lot after that failed dragon fist and the power he used against Omega before Vegeta came to help him. Think about it, it was Goku who first reverted back to his normal while even if he had more experience with SSJ4 then Vegeta. A fresh SSJ4 Goku is still far stronger then SSJ4 Vegeta.
Edited by Bizar, May 15 2013, 02:09 PM.
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May 15 2013, 02:09 PM
I am thinking that his power decreased a lot after that failed dragon fist and the power he used against Omega before Vegeta came to help him. Think about it, it was Goku who first reverted back to his normal while even if he had more experience with SSJ4 then Vegeta. A fresh SSJ4 Goku is still far stronger then SSJ4 Vegeta.


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May 15 2013, 09:27 AM

SSjin 4 Goku (surpassed limits, fresh) > SSjin 4 Vegeta = SSjin 4 Goku (surpassed limits, post-Ryu Ken) >>> SSjin 4 Goku


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May 15 2013, 02:11 PM
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May 15 2013, 02:09 PM
I am thinking that his power decreased a lot after that failed dragon fist and the power he used against Omega before Vegeta came to help him. Think about it, it was Goku who first reverted back to his normal while even if he had more experience with SSJ4 then Vegeta. A fresh SSJ4 Goku is still far stronger then SSJ4 Vegeta.


This would be my answer :

Darth Pyrus
May 15 2013, 09:27 AM

SSjin 4 Goku (surpassed limits, fresh) > SSjin 4 Vegeta = SSjin 4 Goku (surpassed limits, post-Ryu Ken) >>> SSjin 4 Goku






I dont believe he still was surpassed limits Goku after that dragon fist. It uses a lot of power. It even almost killed Omega Shenron! And also the fact he was the first one to go back to his base form says to me that Goku did lose a lot power.

SSJ4 Goku (SL)>>> SSJ4 Goku (fresh)>> SSJ4 Vegeta ~ SSJ4 Goku (Post-dragonfist).
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Normally I have Goku stronger than Vegeta because Goku had used the dragon fist before fusing with Vegeta not to mention his beat up by Omega before,however post dragon fist I have Vegeta slightly higher than Gokus power,and maybe Goku was more experienced in the form perhaps?
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May 15 2013, 09:39 AM
And SSj4 Goku was always Surpassed limits , wasnt he ?


And this one :

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Goku had used Super Saiyan 4 plenty of times already, unlocking his potential each time. It probably didn't have time to bounce back up to unfathomable levels


Well , Goku already got SSj4 , which means he got his potential Unlocked .
Do u mean to say that every time goku went SSj4 , his potential [which gets reset every time he goes SSj4] comes out ?

Yes.
miguelnuva
May 15 2013, 12:12 PM
Vegeta got owened by Nova.

It wasn't even a real fight. Si Xing Long had no intention of harming Vegeta, and Vegeta stated he received no damage.
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May 15 2013, 01:31 PM
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At that point in time, sure, it's entirely feasible. Goku had used Super Saiyan 4 plenty of times already, unlocking his potential each time. It probably didn't have time to bounce back up to unfathomable levels by the time Vegeta, a fighter who hadn't had his potential tapped in over 15 years, joined the club.


You're a believer in this? It works so Vegeta can equal Goku but is there anything to support his potential gets unlocked through the form over and over again?

His base gets boosted, but from fighting ?? Like usual ??

Continuous fighting and the unlocking of his potential, yeah. The potential unlocking is stated to be what the form does.
Professor Gohan
May 15 2013, 01:59 PM
Maybe the artificial Bruits had something to do with his power getting up that high to match Goku's.

Because there's no reason to believe Vegeta's potential > Goku's. nope.

You could go with that if you wanted. In fact, it's probably a better explanation than Vegeta's potential being higher than Goku's.
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I dont believe he still was surpassed limits Goku after that dragon fist. It uses a lot of power. It even almost killed Omega Shenron! And also the fact he was the first one to go back to his base form says to me that Goku did lose a lot power.

SSJ4 Goku (SL)>>> SSJ4 Goku (fresh)>> SSJ4 Vegeta ~ SSJ4 Goku (Post-dragonfist).

So Goku lost 10-fold of his power by using the Ryu Ken and getting beat around a little? That's quite a stretch.
Edited by Pyrus, May 15 2013, 03:50 PM.
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Its never said that the Artificial Blutz wave increases power , Lord Pyro

Bulma said that she can make Vegeta an SSj4 with that , not increase his power after transforming
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