SSJ2 Gohan: End of Z-Sword Training

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SSJ2 Gohan: End of Z-Sword Training
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Vertical	May 16 2013, 10:07 AM Post #31
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Raiken May 16 2013, 09:42 AM If we use the x10 boost for MSSJ. And since we don't know how much more stronger Gohan had to be in Base to handle the Z-Sword Proficiently. (As we didn't see him as an MSSJ using it, only that he had to be in it, since Base wasn't enough. He could have been using it very easily in that form. To the point where he could have been weaker and still been fine with it. We don't know.) Considering it all: Gohan's likely anywhere between 3-10x Stronger than he was before. Personally, I doubt he got 10x stronger. But he, at the very, very least. Got 3x stronger. Whatever you use for SSJ doesn't really matter [in this instance]. He effectively gains whatever you believe the SSJ2-SSJ3 difference is... because he goes from: SSJ2 Gohan < SSJ2 Goku ...to... SSJ2 Gohan < SSJ3 Goku Although this is a very simple breakdown and will also depend on your personal gaps in each instance.
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~~DSB~~	May 16 2013, 10:18 AM Post #32
The Showstopper Posts: 3,850 Group: Suspended Member #8,626 Joined: November 29, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox 16 Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I just use This : Z Sword Gain > SSj3 Multiplier
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+ Ryebrid	May 16 2013, 03:10 PM Post #33
Posts: 3,135 Group: Elite Member Member #4,909 Joined: May 21, 2010 Gender Male Country Australia Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Code Geass, Soul Eater, Sword Art Online What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Ki gains have never been coherent with strength gains. Trying to suggest that Gohan became vastly more powerful within only one day of swinging around a weighted sword is outlandish. If that was the case, the same training regime would have already been adopted by them long before. Gohan simply suggests that the Z-Sword was a "Good workout," which should speak volumes for any serious gains you think he might have. The Old Kai's existence, and statement throws serious doubt in any previous conception they had.



Goddess Ultimecia	May 16 2013, 07:43 PM Post #34
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	It's not too far fetched. I mean Gohan made a 1307x boost just by getting angry and that happened in less than 20 seconds. At least with the Z sword it's more explainable.
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Saberoph	May 16 2013, 08:15 PM Post #35
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	Raiken May 16 2013, 09:42 AM Gohan when he first gets the Z-Sword. Spoiler: click to toggle Some time later, it shows Gohan needed to use MSSJ to train proficiently with the Z-Sword. Spoiler: click to toggle Later on again, Gohan is now able to train with the Z-Sword in Base, but is still struggling. Spoiler: click to toggle Goku here uses the Z-Sword with more ease than Gohan when he initially pulled it out, but, not quite, as well as Gohan currently was. Spoiler: click to toggle Now another day later. We see that Base Gohan is rather proficient in handling the Z-Sword. Where he formally needed to be in MSSJ to handle it proficiently. (While he still likely can't handle it as well as MSSJ, back when he had to use it to train with it.) Spoiler: click to toggle Gohan states that he's gotten a lot stronger. However, Goku questions if he's strong enough to beat (Fat) Majin Buu / Still not strong enough to beat (Fat) Majin Buu "Depending on the Translation". Buu, who is around SSJ3 Goku level. Spoiler: click to toggle If we use the x10 boost for MSSJ. And since we don't know how much more stronger Gohan had to be in Base to handle the Z-Sword Proficiently. (As we didn't see him as an MSSJ using it, only that he had to be in it, since Base wasn't enough. He could have been using it very easily in that form. To the point where he could have been weaker and still been fine with it. We don't know.) Considering it all: Gohan's likely anywhere between 3-10x Stronger than he was before. Personally, I doubt he got 10x stronger. But he, at the very, very least. Got 3x stronger. Lol This post actually proves my point of Gohan gaining big increases, he would have to more than double his power, because he surpasses his SS in his Base. If Gohan training with a sword doesn't increase his power, then neither does Vegeta Training under higher Gravity.
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* Yu Narukami	May 16 2013, 08:35 PM Post #36
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Gohan's made the biggest gains in the series. Going from 1 to > 1,000 in just a year, and trumping Trunks, Vegeta and Goku in the RoSaT. His gains don't make sense. Goku was directly referring to SSJ2 Gohan, no rage boost or anything. If that were the case, surely the statement would've been; ''If Gohan got angry, would he be a match for Boo?'' as opposed to questioning whether Gohan could beat him regularly. You may not like it, but we're shown; SSJ3 Goku > Fat Boo >~ SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z-Sword) >>>>>>> SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Gohan



Super Gohan	May 16 2013, 09:59 PM Post #37
Posts: 674 Group: Member Member #6,283 Joined: May 29, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	TConnor_Demonic May 16 2013, 07:43 PM It's not too far fetched. I mean Gohan made a 1307x boost just by getting angry and that happened in less than 20 seconds. At least with the Z sword it's more explainable. Anger is an actual proven vehicle for achieving such power; the Z Sword is openly refuted as not being one. It was revealed to not possess any power-boosting properties outside from the Elder Kaioshin sealed within it. Therefore, there is no logical or plot-driven justification for Gohan to obtain any great power from a mere day. The training he did was nothing special from what he could’ve achieved elsewhere. When people read the manga not out of casual interest but solely to determine characters’ powers, then your view is already limited towards details which serve that motive; your conclusions are built upon them. But since the manga was never intended to be read that way, you lack a complete narrative perspective and things are bound to be taken out of context, as they have here.



Goddess Ultimecia	May 16 2013, 10:02 PM Post #38
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Super Gohan May 16 2013, 09:59 PM TConnor_Demonic May 16 2013, 07:43 PM It's not too far fetched. I mean Gohan made a 1307x boost just by getting angry and that happened in less than 20 seconds. At least with the Z sword it's more explainable. Anger is an actual proven vehicle for achieving such power; the Z Sword is openly refuted as not being one. It was revealed to not possess any power-boosting properties outside from the Elder Kaioshin sealed within it. Therefore, there is no logical or plot-driven justification for Gohan to obtain any great power from a mere day. The training he did was nothing special from what he could’ve achieved elsewhere. When people read the manga not out of casual interest but solely to determine characters’ powers, then your view is already limited towards details which serve that motive; your conclusions are built upon them. But since the manga was never intended to be read that way, you lack a complete narrative perspective and things are bound to be taken out of context, as they have here. We are shown time and time again that when exposed to new training methods that Gohan makes insane gains regardless. If i remember correctly Gohan hadnt done any weight training whatsoever before the Z Sword. Perhaps since the Z Sword was extremely heavy, it became his weight training.
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Super Gohan	May 16 2013, 10:16 PM Post #39
Posts: 674 Group: Member Member #6,283 Joined: May 29, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	TConnor_Demonic May 16 2013, 10:02 PM We are shown time and time again that when exposed to new training methods that Gohan makes insane gains regardless. If i remember correctly Gohan hadnt done any weight training whatsoever before the Z Sword. Perhaps since the Z Sword was extremely heavy, it became his weight training. No great gains came after a single day of training. Such an important factor shouldn't so freely be overlooked.



* Yu Narukami	May 16 2013, 10:17 PM Post #40
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Super Gohan May 16 2013, 10:16 PM TConnor_Demonic May 16 2013, 10:02 PM We are shown time and time again that when exposed to new training methods that Gohan makes insane gains regardless. If i remember correctly Gohan hadnt done any weight training whatsoever before the Z Sword. Perhaps since the Z Sword was extremely heavy, it became his weight training. No great gains came after a single day of training. Such an important factor shouldn't so freely be overlooked. Piccolo makes at least a 3x-4x gain (using unbelievably minimal gaps) in 6 days on Kaio's planet, no? Although, it's suggested to be much, much higher than merely 3x-4x



+ Kyouks	May 17 2013, 04:42 AM Post #41
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Super Gohan May 16 2013, 02:54 AM Proficiency in handling the blade has no direct correlation to their respective power. Goku actually has trouble just lifting the blade up, whereas Gohan no longer has difficulty doing so. DfzHybrid May 16 2013, 03:10 PM Ki gains have never been coherent with strength gains. Gravity training. DfzHybrid May 16 2013, 03:10 PM Trying to suggest that Gohan became vastly more powerful within only one day of swinging around a weighted sword is outlandish. Piccolo (Saiyan saga) << Gohan's Masenko = 2800 -----> Piccolo (Freeza arc) >>/>>> Nail = 42,000. Not one day, but a couple of days, which should also fall under the category of 'outlandish' notions from what I can gather. DfzHybrid May 16 2013, 03:10 PM If that was the case, the same training regime would have already been adopted by them long before. Piccolo and Goku both trained on Kaio's, the latter arguably training harder based on what little we see of the former, but who made the far larger gains in a shorter period of time? DfzHybrid May 16 2013, 03:10 PM The Old Kai's existence, and statement throws serious doubt in any previous conception they had. Those conceptions being that the sword itself would allow them to beat Boo, so I can't say you're wrong here. Super Gohan May 16 2013, 09:59 PM It was revealed to not possess any power-boosting properties outside from the Elder Kaioshin sealed within it. Therefore, there is no logical or plot-driven justification for Gohan to obtain any great power from a mere day. The training he did was nothing special from what he could’ve achieved elsewhere. Goku and Piccolo underwent the same training (the latter arguably taking it more easy), but the respective gains don't correlate. Drew May 16 2013, 10:17 PM Piccolo makes at least a 3x-4x gain (using unbelievably minimal gaps) in 6 days on Kaio's planet, no? Although, it's suggested to be much, much higher than merely 3x-4x More like at least 20x, given that Piccolo (Saiyans) < 2800 < 42,000 < Piccolo (Freeza).



Super Gohan	May 17 2013, 06:46 AM Post #42
Posts: 674 Group: Member Member #6,283 Joined: May 29, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Kyouka Suigetsu May 17 2013, 04:42 AM Goku actually has trouble just lifting the blade up, whereas Gohan no longer has difficulty doing so. Maybe you missed my point. From what is shown, Gohan can wield the sword with less effort than Goku does. But clearly admits to being inferior to him in power, and hopes to lessen that difference: Again, proficiency in handling the Z Sword is not a true criterion for how strong they actually are. It is a flawed assumption that Gohan would become stronger than Goku simply from that achievement when there is no solid foundation for it. Kyouka Suigetsu May 17 2013, 04:42 AM Piccolo (Saiyan saga) << Gohan's Masenko = 2800 -----> Piccolo (Freeza arc) >>/>>> Nail = 42,000. Not one day, but a couple of days, which should also fall under the category of 'outlandish' notions from what I can gather. Piccolo and Goku both trained on Kaio's, the latter arguably training harder based on what little we see of the former, but who made the far larger gains in a shorter period of time? Goku and Piccolo underwent the same training (the latter arguably taking it more easy), but the respective gains don't correlate. The examples are not corresponding circumstances: 1. It is Gohan’s individual power in question, what another character can gain from their training is unrelated. 2. Something you’ve already noted - the training lasted only one day; that is the applicable duration in this case. 3. The nature of training with the Z Sword is a more limited approach, which primarily works the arms; unlike the versatility of other training methods.



Vertical	May 17 2013, 10:00 AM Post #43
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Bringing himself to Goku's level likely means at maximum, as in bringing Gohan's maximum [SSJ2 at the time] closer to SSJ3 Goku.
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+ miguelnuva	May 17 2013, 10:20 AM Post #44
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Just putting it out there, Gohan always overestimates Goku when comparing himself to Goku. Gohan thought 50% Goku was incredible and then thought the IT KHH against Cell was a warm up. At that point we do have confirmed facts. 1. Gohan is at least equal to Goku based on how they handled the sword more or less the same. 2. Gohan would hit harder due swinging a sword around.
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Raiken	May 17 2013, 11:21 AM Post #45
Posts: 454 Group: Member Member #7,460 Joined: March 20, 2012 Favourite Anime Naruto Shippuden What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Naruto	So the general conclusion is that after the Z-Sword Training: SSJ3 Goku = (Fat) Buu"Full Power" > SSJ2 Gohan >>> SSJ2 Goku = SSJ2 Majin Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan(Tournament) = SSJ2 Vegeta. "Yeah, I believe the Majin Buff is a power increase that can only be retained if the Majin Seal is still effecting the individual."



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