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SSJ2 Gohan: End of Z-Sword Training
Topic Started: May 14 2013, 10:00 PM (5,235 Views)
+ Pointer May 15 2013, 04:01 PM Post #16
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Raiken
May 15 2013, 03:33 PM
If SSJ2 Gohan was weaker than SSJ3 Goku and Fat Boo. But not by much.
And was a fair bit more powerful than SSJ2 Goku.
If Goku taught and trained Gohan to be able to go SSJ3.

Base Goku: 100
Base Gohan: 300
MSSJ Gohan(Tournament): 600
MSSJ Goku: 1000
SSJ2 Gohan(Tournament): 1200
SSJ2 Goku: 2000
MSSJ: Gohan: 3000
SSJ2 Gohan: 6000
(Fat) Majin Buu: 7000
SSJ3 Goku: 8000
SSJ3 Gohan: 24'000

I think he'd be coming closish to Ultimate Gohan.
Even then, he'd still be weaker. And have massive energy drain. While Ultimate Form has no strain.
base gohan 300 whilst ssj2 is 1200... how ?

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Raiken May 15 2013, 04:09 PM Post #17
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May 15 2013, 03:37 PM
^ That wont happen , unless u have a minuscule power gap between Hypothetical SSj3 gohan and Ultimate Gohan
I have a fair sized gap, not a minuscule difference. But not a MASSIVE difference, either.
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Raiken May 15 2013, 04:11 PM Post #18
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May 15 2013, 04:01 PM
Raiken
May 15 2013, 03:33 PM
If SSJ2 Gohan was weaker than SSJ3 Goku and Fat Boo. But not by much.
And was a fair bit more powerful than SSJ2 Goku.
If Goku taught and trained Gohan to be able to go SSJ3.

Base Goku: 100
Base Gohan: 300
MSSJ Gohan(Tournament): 600
MSSJ Goku: 1000
SSJ2 Gohan(Tournament): 1200
SSJ2 Goku: 2000
MSSJ: Gohan: 3000
SSJ2 Gohan: 6000
(Fat) Majin Buu: 7000
SSJ3 Goku: 8000
SSJ3 Gohan: 24'000

I think he'd be coming closish to Ultimate Gohan.
Even then, he'd still be weaker. And have massive energy drain. While Ultimate Form has no strain.
base gohan 300 whilst ssj2 is 1200... how ?
Sorry, that's the Tournament Version of Gohan. I must have accidentally deleted the Base Gohan from Tournament.

Base Gohan(Tournament): 60
Base Goku: 100
Base Gohan(Post Z-Sword): 300
MSSJ Gohan(Tournament): 600
MSSJ Goku: 1000
SSJ2 Gohan(Tournament): 1200
SSJ2 Goku: 2000
MSSJ: Gohan(Post Z-Sword): 3000
SSJ2 Gohan(Post Z-Sword): 6000
(Fat) Majin Buu: 7000
SSJ3 Goku: 8000
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Super Gohan May 15 2013, 05:42 PM Post #19
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Raiken
May 15 2013, 02:19 PM
Even if he's still no where near close to SSJ3 Goku and (Fat) Majin Buu.
He's at least more powerful than SSJ2 Goku.


Why should he be?

In that scene, Goku’s comment only serves as the voice of reason in their confounded efforts to preserve the legend’s validity. He isn’t certain how strong Gohan would be as a Super Saiyan unless he was actually transformed in front of him, which his clueless expression visually imparts.

Captain Cadaver
May 15 2013, 03:15 PM
Plot dictates power, even should logic go against it. Logically, Piccolo shouldn't have been able to gain power that Nail would view as "incredible" in 6 days of training, yet he did.


And plot happens to contradict Gohan becoming powerful after training with the Z Sword.

The bottom panel of that page invalidates the conclusion they made above of where the power was meant to come from.
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Saberoph May 15 2013, 05:53 PM Post #20
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 But the physical evidence contradicts that statement.

Gohan while SS had issues handling the Zeta Sword, then in the end Base Gohan was twirling it around like it was nothing.

When Kakarrot was around he had to swing it around with both hands and did struggle, yet in the end Gohan was showing he could do tons better than Kakarrot.

Physical evidence says Gohan>>Kakarrot.

There's one line of Gohan saying that, then you have multiple Physical evidence showing the opposite then Kakarrot only questioning if Gohan is greater than Boo.

Multiple Physical evidence>One line.
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p123 May 15 2013, 06:10 PM Post #21
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Base Gohan has clearly surpassed Base Goku.
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+ Pyrus May 15 2013, 07:21 PM Post #22
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 In physical strength.
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Saberoph May 15 2013, 07:28 PM Post #23
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 Yeah, skill wise he's still way above Gohan.
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p123 May 15 2013, 08:11 PM Post #24
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In ki. Base Gohan's ki is dramatically superior than Base Goku's.
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+ miguelnuva May 15 2013, 08:23 PM Post #25
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 Supereme Kai says "Gohan will be much strogner as a SSJ"

Goku says "but does his power surpass Majin Buu I don't know?"

SSJ2 Gohan<Fat Buu<SSJ3 Goku<MSSJ Gotenks(pre)

all with the same gap on each other seems believable to me.
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Super Gohan May 15 2013, 09:25 PM Post #26
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May 15 2013, 05:53 PM
But the physical evidence contradicts that statement.

Gohan while SS had issues handling the Zeta Sword, then in the end Base Gohan was twirling it around like it was nothing.

When Kakarrot was around he had to swing it around with both hands and did struggle, yet in the end Gohan was showing he could do tons better than Kakarrot.

Physical evidence says Gohan>>Kakarrot.

There's one line of Gohan saying that, then you have multiple Physical evidence showing the opposite then Kakarrot only questioning if Gohan is greater than Boo.

Multiple Physical evidence>One line.


The “statement” in question is from Gohan training with the Z sword?

From the brief scene he was shown wielding the sword as a Super Saiyan during Goku’s transformation sequence, Gohan didn’t appear as having any issue.

Goku and Gohan are both shown capable of handling the sword; Gohan simply had more time to become acclimated with it. From the beginning, the sheer fact that it was heavy was not deemed as a reliable course of granting considerable power:

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It was the sword’s reputation that they were putting their hopes towards. Placing emphasis on the physical aspect from swinging it around only came as a form of consolation after it broke, and quickly disproved when the Elder Kaioshin appears.
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p123 May 15 2013, 10:51 PM Post #27
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Which is exactly why Goku debunks Gohan being superior to Buu right away. Gohan is only superior to Majin Vegeta now , not Buu.
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Saberoph May 15 2013, 11:08 PM Post #28
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 @Super Gohan. You're forgetting the scans of SS Gohan having trouble with holding the Zeta Sword, then showing his Base later handling the sword with complete ease.

It makes sense for Gohan to increase that much, and if he hadn't... then Kakarrot would have said that Gohan didn't increase much, but he didn't he said that he Only wonders if he can beat Boo or not.
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Super Gohan May 16 2013, 02:54 AM Post #29
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May 15 2013, 11:08 PM
@Super Gohan. You're forgetting the scans of SS Gohan having trouble with holding the Zeta Sword, then showing his Base later handling the sword with complete ease.

It makes sense for Gohan to increase that much, and if he hadn't... then Kakarrot would have said that Gohan didn't increase much, but he didn't he said that he Only wonders if he can beat Boo or not.


Alright, show me then. Hopefully you’re not referring to when he pulls it out.

Proficiency in handling the blade has no direct correlation to their respective power. Gohan is shown to wield the sword more efficiently than Goku does yet professes to currently be nowhere near his father’s level. It clearly requires practice to control properly, and isn’t meant to be viewed as some comparative basis for strength.

It makes no sense at all for Gohan to gain that much power in one day from what was basically just weight training. But that’s not something you’ll perceive from just limiting your sight on one line.
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Raiken May 16 2013, 09:42 AM Post #30
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 Gohan when he first gets the Z-Sword.
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Some time later, it shows Gohan needed to use MSSJ to train proficiently with the Z-Sword.
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Later on again, Gohan is now able to train with the Z-Sword in Base, but is still struggling.
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Goku here uses the Z-Sword with more ease than Gohan when he initially pulled it out, but, not quite, as well as Gohan currently was.
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Now another day later. We see that Base Gohan is rather proficient in handling the Z-Sword. Where he formally needed to be in MSSJ to handle it proficiently. (While he still likely can't handle it as well as MSSJ, back when he had to use it to train with it.)
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Gohan states that he's gotten a lot stronger. However, Goku questions if he's strong enough to beat (Fat) Majin Buu / Still not strong enough to beat (Fat) Majin Buu "Depending on the Translation". Buu, who is around SSJ3 Goku level.
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If we use the x10 boost for MSSJ.
And since we don't know how much more stronger Gohan had to be in Base to handle the Z-Sword Proficiently. (As we didn't see him as an MSSJ using it, only that he had to be in it, since Base wasn't enough. He could have been using it very easily in that form. To the point where he could have been weaker and still been fine with it. We don't know.)
Considering it all: Gohan's likely anywhere between 3-10x Stronger than he was before.
Personally, I doubt he got 10x stronger. But he, at the very, very least. Got 3x stronger.
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