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The form which draws out the battle power which Saiyans posses out to the utmost limits is this, Super Saiyan 4!! It's distinguished by having a different appearance than previous Super Saiyans, with red body fur and long black hair!! It is called Super Saiyan 4 out of convenience, but due to it being a transformation from Golden Oozaru, it would be no exaggeration to call it a different species from all previous Super Saiyans!! Thinking of it as a different species, you could also name such points as the fact that unlike with 3 he has an adult appearance, despite being a transformation of little Goku.

Sjk8

May 15 2013, 05:27 PM

DSB

May 15 2013, 04:39 AM

Since when did Potara increase someone's potential ?

On the basis of potential , SSj4 Gotenks eats SSj4 Vegito

For the sake of an example:

- Goku's max potential (Ssj4 Goku) = 5
- Vegeta's max potential (Ssj4 Vegeta) = 5
- Goten's max potential (Ssj4 Goten) = 20
- Trunks' max potential (Ssj4 Trunks) = 20

- Fusion boost = 10
- Potara at Vegito = 100

Well then:

- Ssj4 Gogeta = (Ssj4 Goku + Ssj4 Vegeta)*fusion boost = 100
- Ssj4 Gotenks = (Ssj4 Goten + Ssj4 Trunks)*fusion boost = 400
- Ssj4 Vegito = (Ssj4 Goku + Ssj4 Vegeta)*Potara boost = 1000

Do you see it? Even if Goku and Vegeta have less potential than the kids, Ssj4 Vegito can be way stronger than Ssj4 Gotenks, since when you talk about fusion's potential you also have to take into account the fusion boost, and Potara (at Vegito) > Potara > dance.
Gogeta wouldn't stand a chance, because, since he has the same fusion boost of Gotenks, Gotenks would clearly have the edge since the kids have more full potential than the fathers.

So, it's all up to how much bigger the gap between the rival boosted Potara and the dance is, and if that gap is bigger or not than the distance between kids' and adults' potential; personally, despite the kids having more potential, I can clearly see the rival boosted Potara covering the gap, and thus Ssj4 Vegito beating down any form of Gotenks, like the spoiled little brat he his.

PS: again, all this blatantly ignoring which actually is the fusion formula of Vegito given by official SEG...

NavonWise

May 15 2013, 07:30 PM

@Darth Pyrus
I would actually like to know what is the difference between SSJ4 and the other transformations. Aside from how you attain it, and how it's suppose to be a transformation from Golden Oozaru, but from what it does it shouldn't be that different. When Goku first transformed to SSJ, wouldn't you say it unlocked his potential then? It obviously rested, it's the same thing if Guru unlocked his potential, so what would make SSJ4 so different? That it would keep unlocking it? Well it's kind of obvious since according to GT it's the last transformation, so it would bring you to your utmost limit. Had SSJ2 been the last one, it would have been the same case. But again in the case a hypothetical SSJ4 Gotenks and a hypothetical SSJ4 Vegetto, Gotenks being kids SSJ4 would have unlocked their potential to their limit but what they could handle that moment. They were so much weaker than a plain SSJ Vegetto, there's only so much SSJ4 can do regardless of how high their potential is. SSJ2 Goku was stated to be stronger than kid SSJ2 Gohan, Gohan has WAY more hidden potential, might not be the greatest example but it's something. Age plays a big role, I mean Trunks was stronger than Goten and according to Goku, Trunks being one year older than Goten played a big part in it.

Vertical

May 15 2013, 08:02 PM

Just a query; reading the description posted by KP...

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The form which draws out the battle power which Saiyans posses out to the utmost limits is this, Super Saiyan 4!! It's distinguished by having a different appearance than previous Super Saiyans, with red body fur and long black hair!! It is called Super Saiyan 4 out of convenience, but due to it being a transformation from Golden Oozaru, it would be no exaggeration to call it a different species from all previous Super Saiyans!! Thinking of it as a different species, you could also name such points as the fact that unlike with 3 he has an adult appearance, despite being a transformation of little Goku.

...would that mean Gotenks would also become an adult?

NavonWise

May 16 2013, 05:41 AM

No, even if they have higher potential than their dads, which it's obvious, SSJ4 would only bring their power to what they can handle in that moment; it's not going beyond their limit. I agree with a SSJ4 Gotenks beating SSJ Vegetto but not if Vegetto was at SSJ4.