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| NavonWise | May 14 2013, 08:30 PM Post #16 |
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@Darth Pyrus I probably did hear it there; GT ain't my thing so I don't know much about it. But I did hear that the Daizenshuu says the same thing about SSJ3 so...what would make SSJ4 so different? @Frostmourne Almost got killed? You based that off of Gotenks' statement? Bro, it's Gotenks' words against Buu's words and I honestly take Buu's side considering how cocky them kids are. Unless you believe Ultimate Gohan was slightly stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks based on Trunks and Goten's words lol |
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| Frostmourne | May 14 2013, 08:34 PM Post #17 |
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Nope. I didn't take his word for it. Super Boo was defenseless. He was already being beaten by Gotenks before that pretty hard. He would just stand there and Gotenks would finish him off with a final attack. Heck, even the SSJ Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack left Boo in pieces. The smoke would be his final option to regenerate. I don't see why SSJ3 Gotenks couldn't finish him off there. Many of SSJ3 Gotenks attacks left Boo in alot of pieces before. Edited by Frostmourne, May 14 2013, 08:35 PM.
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| NavonWise | May 14 2013, 08:36 PM Post #18 |
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@Captain Cadaver And what proof does SSJ4 have that it's a definite ultimate limit? None of these are mention in the anime, only on these files like SSJ3; eh, I'll have to watch GT again, it's ridiculous. I just find it hard to believe SSJ4 is as strong as what a Saiyan can ever get in his lifetime; I guess it's like Ultimate Gohan eh? |
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| NavonWise | May 14 2013, 08:38 PM Post #19 |
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@Frostmourne And so did Vegeta's attacks on Fat Buu, doesn't mean it would work. I mean again, you might as well believe everything Gotenks says if you believe that last attack was going to destroy Buu. |
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| Captain Cadaver | May 14 2013, 08:45 PM Post #20 |
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As said previously, nothing contradicts this entry, as shown by SS4 Goku's power only increasing when his friends combined their Ki to bring him beyond his limits. Secondly, there's a large difference in reliability between the Perfect Files and Daizenshuu. The Perfect Files were made by Toei's staff, those who created GT and it features nothing that contradicts their series. On the contrary, it features a lot to reinforce many parts of it. By comparision, the Daizenshuu and SEG were made by Bird Studios, who were merely Toriyama's staff and not Toriyama himself, and those books contain numerous errors. |
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| NavonWise | May 14 2013, 08:48 PM Post #21 |
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I guess if SSJ4 really does make you as strong as you'll ever be no matter how hard you train, then Gotenks really does takes this. Thanks for reminding me not to watch GT...ever...again. It's interesting to see how it says SSJ4 brings their ultimate limit out...but it still increases? Regardless if it was the cause of them giving Goku power, he's still getting stronger. It's like adding more air into a balloon that reached it's limit; the damn thing should pop. Edited by NavonWise, May 14 2013, 08:53 PM.
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| Frostmourne | May 14 2013, 08:58 PM Post #22 |
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Fine, your opinion then. But I personally belive that Super Boo was gonna die if Gotenks hadn't de-fused. |
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| Sjk8 | May 14 2013, 09:12 PM Post #23 |
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It really depends on which boost is bigger: the rival-boosted Potara applying to Vegetto or the potential of the kids over the adults. Anyway, I can't agree with people saying Ssj4 Gotenks > Ssj4 Vegetto: the potential of a fused guy is given by the potential of the two fusees and by the fusion boost: Potara with rival boost would cover the gap in potential of the kids over the adults; so: Ssj4 Vegetto > Ssj4 Gotenks > Ssj4 Gogeta. PS: all this, pretending not to know the SEG definition of Vegetto's power... Edited by Sjk8, May 14 2013, 09:30 PM.
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| + Pyrus | May 14 2013, 09:13 PM Post #24 |
 
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It's not saying Goku can't ever get stronger on his own. Potential resets, or he'd never be able to use Super Saiyan 4 more than once. |
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| NavonWise | May 15 2013, 01:06 AM Post #25 |
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Can anyone get an actual translation of what that shiznit says? |
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| + Pyrus | May 15 2013, 01:13 AM Post #26 |
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| NavonWise | May 15 2013, 01:18 AM Post #27 |
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...ok so that should be similar to a Ultimate Goku? Sounds the same as going beyond normal limits, so wouldn't this mean he's as strong as he'll ever be? |
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| + Pyrus | May 15 2013, 01:33 AM Post #28 |
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Not quite. Super Saiyan 4 brings out the power a Saiyan possesses to its limits, not beyond its limits, so it wouldn't be exactly like Elder Kaioshin's magic. Super Saiyan 4 Goku would probably pale in comparison to Ultimate Goku. Potential resets each time it's unlocked, evidenced by Goku having his potential unlocked by the Super God Water yet becoming massively stronger after, Gohan having his potential brought out by Guru yet receiving two zenkais on top of that within the same day and becoming stronger after the Freeza fight, and by the fact that Goku becomes stronger after using Super Saiyan 4 against Baby. If potential didn't reset, none of those would be possible since the characters would be stuck at that level infinitely, apart from magic like Elder Kaioshin or Shenron. Just because Goku uses Super Saiyan 4 and unlocks his potential each time doesn't mean he can't become even stronger than that afterward. |
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May 15 2013, 04:39 AM Post #29 |
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Ya , i believe Super Buu was 30 seconds flat from getting wiped out forever
Since when did Potara increase someone's potential ? On the basis of potential , SSj4 Gotenks eats SSj4 Vegito |
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| Sjk8 | May 15 2013, 05:27 PM Post #30 |
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For the sake of an example: - Goku's max potential (Ssj4 Goku) = 5 - Vegeta's max potential (Ssj4 Vegeta) = 5 - Goten's max potential (Ssj4 Goten) = 20 - Trunks' max potential (Ssj4 Trunks) = 20 - Fusion boost = 10 - Potara at Vegito = 100 Well then: - Ssj4 Gogeta = (Ssj4 Goku + Ssj4 Vegeta)*fusion boost = 100 - Ssj4 Gotenks = (Ssj4 Goten + Ssj4 Trunks)*fusion boost = 400 - Ssj4 Vegito = (Ssj4 Goku + Ssj4 Vegeta)*Potara boost = 1000 Do you see it? Even if Goku and Vegeta have less potential than the kids, Ssj4 Vegito can be way stronger than Ssj4 Gotenks, since when you talk about fusion's potential you also have to take into account the fusion boost, and Potara (at Vegito) > Potara > dance. Gogeta wouldn't stand a chance, because, since he has the same fusion boost of Gotenks, Gotenks would clearly have the edge since the kids have more full potential than the fathers. So, it's all up to how much bigger the gap between the rival boosted Potara and the dance is, and if that gap is bigger or not than the distance between kids' and adults' potential; personally, despite the kids having more potential, I can clearly see the rival boosted Potara covering the gap, and thus Ssj4 Vegito beating down any form of Gotenks, like the spoiled little brat he his. PS: again, all this blatantly ignoring which actually is the fusion formula of Vegito given by official SEG... Edited by Sjk8, May 15 2013, 05:32 PM.
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