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SSJ4 Gotenks Vs SSJ Vegito
Topic Started: May 14 2013, 05:34 PM (2,618 Views)
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If Vegito loses he can transform into SSJ2 or SSJ3.
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Gotenks Potential > Vegito's potential

Damn .... I doubt even SSj3 vegito can beat SSj4 Gotenks
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He will beat Vegito Ssj and ssj2 barely but I think he will lost to ssj3 without much of an effort,personall opinion
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May 14 2013, 05:35 PM
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Gotenks Potential > Vegito's potential

Damn .... I doubt even SSj3 vegito can beat SSj4 Gotenks
I think Vegitos Potential>>Gotenks potential

But Gotenks(Potara)>>Vegito
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Even should Vegetto achieve SS4, he ain't taking this. Individually, the kids show potential that far outstrip that of their fathers, which should also carry over with fusion. Even taking into account the large difference between Potara and fusion, I doubt it'd be enough to completely turn the tables. Then, there's the fact that the GT Perfect Files state that SS4 draws the user's power to their absolute limit. Ergo, SS4=Saiyan's maximum potential, and as already established, Gotenks' potential is likely >Vegetto's potential.
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The kids being hybrids, yeah it's pretty much clear they have more potential than their fathers. But to say a hypothetical SSJ4 Vegetto would lose against a hypothetical SSJ4 Gotenks?

What?

I would agree to this if they're all grown up, but as kids, they ain't taking this. Individually they have more potential but still doesn't mean they're stronger lol and with the earrings, Vegetto still has a huge advantage.
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SSJ4 Gotenks will eat Vegito alive...
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Lol are you guys serious? SSJ3 Gotenks had trouble defeating Super Buu when Vegetto just in SSJ was taking a dump on Buuhan's face.
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May 14 2013, 08:03 PM
Lol are you guys serious? SSJ3 Gotenks had trouble defeating Super Buu when Vegetto just in SSJ was taking a dump on Buuhan's face.
SS4 isn't a multiplier. According to the GT Perfect Files it draws a Saiyan's power to their absolute limit (ie. their full potential).
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May 14 2013, 08:03 PM
Lol are you guys serious? SSJ3 Gotenks had trouble defeating Super Buu when Vegetto just in SSJ was taking a dump on Buuhan's face.
Gotenks had trouble due to him not being serious enough and wasn't that experienced. In the end he was beating Super Boo into a pulp where he got serious. SSJ4 is just very dependable, depending how high your potential is. The potentials should be enough. It's not like an ordinary multiplier such as the SSJ,SSJ2 and the SSJ3. Their potential boost will boost to their maximum, like Gohan's if I recall. Imagine just how high it will be. Take a look how high Gohan's ultimate form boost was because of his potential. Trunks's and Goten's are big if I recall. Their potential will be huge here. I don't see why they cannot beat SSJ Vegito.
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From what I heard, it's supposedly 10x SSJ3; either way if we're talking about Gotenks as kids, still wouldn't mean a hypothetical SSJ4 Vegetto would lose. If I'm not mistaken, Daizenshuu 7 says SSJ3 was also brings out a Saiyan's true and full potential; the kids being SSJ4 would not literally mean they're at their absolute limit, they should still have some juice left unless you believe that's as strong as they'll get in their life time.

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Super Buu planned ahead, he wasn't serious either. He stated he felt Gohan's power grow, so he was merely gassing Gotenks up so he can absorb him later on...which is what happen.
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May 14 2013, 08:19 PM
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From what I heard, it's supposedly 10x SSJ3; either way if we're talking about Gotenks as kids, still wouldn't mean a hypothetical SSJ4 Vegetto would lose. If I'm not mistaken, Daizenshuu 7 says SSJ3 was also brings out a Saiyan's true and full potential; the kids being SSJ4 would not literally mean they're at their absolute limit, they should still have some juice left unless you believe that's as strong as they'll get in their life time.
You probably heard that from Death Battle, who totally pulled that out of their asses. The only information we have on how Super Saiyan 4 works is from the GT Perfect Files, and there isn't anything that contradicts that info. As far as we know, the multiplier isn't static.
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May 14 2013, 08:19 PM
@Captain Cadaver
From what I heard, it's supposedly 10x SSJ3; either way if we're talking about Gotenks as kids, still wouldn't mean a hypothetical SSJ4 Vegetto would lose. If I'm not mistaken, Daizenshuu 7 says SSJ3 was also brings out a Saiyan's true and full potential; the kids being SSJ4 would not literally mean they're at their absolute limit, they should still have some juice left unless you believe that's as strong as they'll get in their life time.

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Super Buu planned ahead, he wasn't serious either. He stated he felt Gohan's power grow, so he was merely gassing Gotenks up so he can absorb him later on...which is what happen.
Dude, Super Boo NEARLY got killed by Gotenks in the end. He was losing. He wouldn't risk to not being serious just to wait for Gohan when he could have been killed by Gotenks there. He didn't know how strong Gotenks was at his best. He didn't.
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Hybrid's potential>>>Full Blood's potential

SSJ4 Gotenks>>>SSJ4 Vegito

Although I could be the devil's advocate and say since Base Vegito=>SSJ3 Gogeta that Vegito's sheer power advantage could make him take out a SSJ4 Gotenks albeit it'll probably take at the least SSJ3 to do so and at the most SSJ4. However then you would have to make the argument that Vegito's potential>Gogeta's potential which is an entire other thing.
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May 14 2013, 08:19 PM
@Captain Cadaver
From what I heard, it's supposedly 10x SSJ3; either way if we're talking about Gotenks as kids, still wouldn't mean a hypothetical SSJ4 Vegetto would lose. If I'm not mistaken, Daizenshuu 7 says SSJ3 was also brings out a Saiyan's true and full potential; the kids being SSJ4 would not literally mean they're at their absolute limit, they should still have some juice left unless you believe that's as strong as they'll get in their life time.
Being 10x SS3 is a fanmade assumption with little other than a person's views on powerscaling to back them up. The difference between this and the SS3 Daizenshuu entry is that we have proof that an SS3's power isn't their absolute limit, whereas nothing is shown or a SS4 becoming stronger by natural means. Not only that, but the fact that, IIRC, the Perfect Files also describe it as something completely different from the previous Super Saiyan forms show that it isn't the same case as the Daizenshuu entry for SS3.
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