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Boo saga comparative levels
Topic Started: May 14 2013, 03:17 AM (2,146 Views)
+ Emmeth May 14 2013, 09:35 PM Post #31
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 Chapter: 459 (DBZ 265), P2.2-3
Badidi: “How about it, Dabra? Just to be sure, do you have confidence that you can defeat that Earthling [Gohan]?”
Dabra: “Naturally. I fought him a little bit before, after all. There’s no doubt that I can take care of trash like that.”

This tells me something else.
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Sjk8 May 14 2013, 09:41 PM Post #32
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May 14 2013, 09:33 PM
Gohan is already stronger than he could have ever been through training.

Ultimate Gohan > Gohan Max Potential > Goku Max Potential

This is a wall that hard work cannot scale.


Exactly.
And that's also why we now have Ssj God.
Goku surpassing Gohan thanks to this Godly power is appreciated (at least by me) and way better than Goku surpassing Gohan with his own power/transformation (i.e. an impossible thing).
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+ Emmeth May 14 2013, 09:45 PM Post #33
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Sjk8
May 14 2013, 09:41 PM
p123
May 14 2013, 09:33 PM
Gohan is already stronger than he could have ever been through training.

Ultimate Gohan > Gohan Max Potential > Goku Max Potential

This is a wall that hard work cannot scale.


Exactly.
And that's also why we now have Ssj God.
Goku surpassing Gohan thanks to this Godly power is appreciated (at least by me) and way better than Goku surpassing Gohan with his own power/transformation (i.e. an impossible thing).
But, there you said it. SSJ God. If BoG is canon, Goku should already be SSJ God at EoZ.
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+ Pyrus May 14 2013, 09:50 PM Post #34
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Emmeth
May 14 2013, 09:45 PM
Sjk8
May 14 2013, 09:41 PM
p123
May 14 2013, 09:33 PM
Gohan is already stronger than he could have ever been through training.

Ultimate Gohan > Gohan Max Potential > Goku Max Potential

This is a wall that hard work cannot scale.


Exactly.
And that's also why we now have Ssj God.
Goku surpassing Gohan thanks to this Godly power is appreciated (at least by me) and way better than Goku surpassing Gohan with his own power/transformation (i.e. an impossible thing).
But, there you said it. SSJ God. If BoG is canon, Goku should already be SSJ God at EoZ.
But is it canon?
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Sjk8 May 14 2013, 09:52 PM Post #35
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Emmeth
May 14 2013, 09:45 PM
Sjk8
May 14 2013, 09:41 PM
p123
May 14 2013, 09:33 PM
Gohan is already stronger than he could have ever been through training.

Ultimate Gohan > Gohan Max Potential > Goku Max Potential

This is a wall that hard work cannot scale.


Exactly.
And that's also why we now have Ssj God.
Goku surpassing Gohan thanks to this Godly power is appreciated (at least by me) and way better than Goku surpassing Gohan with his own power/transformation (i.e. an impossible thing).
But, there you said it. SSJ God. If BoG is canon, Goku should already be SSJ God at EoZ.


Theoretically, yes.
But I would say we now have to take the EoZ time with a pinch of salt, since it has been said that Birusu will wake up again 3 years after BoG, so we can't know what it's going to happen.

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May 14 2013, 09:50 PM
But is it canon?


It seems so.
They wanted it to be canon with the manga/anime.
Edited by Sjk8, May 14 2013, 09:54 PM.
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p123 May 14 2013, 09:55 PM Post #36
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Sure Dabura is a cocky villian. Gohan most definitely wasn't trash, otherwise Dabura would have continued fighting him hand to hand. Dabura was getting beat to the punch and used his magic abilities to get the upper hand.

Put it this way, there's a reason Badibi had to even ask Dabura in the first place. Badibi is concerned about Dabura vs Gohan not going his way and that's all you really need to know.
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IllogicalGlory May 14 2013, 11:10 PM Post #37
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May 14 2013, 09:19 PM
Yamcha should be lower than Tenshinhan.
Tien is 9 times stronger than Yamcha, Krillin is 10 times.

Yamcha: 0.5
Tien: 4.5

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Unnecessarily huge gap between [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks and [Initial] Super Buu/[Post-RoSaT] Gotenks
Any reason for those?
Piccolo didn't think Gotenks stood a chance before the RoSaT, but after the RoSaT, he thought that he did, also he had no idea that Gotenks could go super saiyan after transforming. That implies that Base Gotenks Post>>>SSJ Gotenks Pre.
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Vertical May 14 2013, 11:39 PM Post #38
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Unnecessarily huge gap between [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks and [Initial] Super Buu/[Post-RoSaT] Gotenks
Any reason for those?
Piccolo didn't think Gotenks stood a chance before the RoSaT, but after the RoSaT, he thought that he did, also he had no idea that Gotenks could go super saiyan after transforming. That implies that Base Gotenks Post>>>SSJ Gotenks Pre.
I agree with the chain, I just didn't agree with the scale. When the comment was made you had the gap at roughly 4x [which seemed unnecessarily high], now it's at roughly 2x [which is far more reasonable].

Although now that presents another issue... [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks being so far above SSJ3 Goku/Fat Buu. Would Piccolo really bother questioning his speed if he was over 2x Fat Buu/SSJ3 Goku?
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p123 May 14 2013, 11:45 PM Post #39
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His power is incredible. He just wants to make sure the fusion worked properly. IE Fat and Skinny Gotenks. This fight is for all the marbles he wants to be sure.
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+ Pyrus May 14 2013, 11:52 PM Post #40
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May 14 2013, 11:45 PM
His power is incredible. He just wants to make sure the fusion worked properly. IE Fat and Skinny Gotenks. This fight is for all the marbles he wants to be sure.
Exactly, and that's what I think some people fail to grasp when criticizing that moment. They're focused on the what of Piccolo questioning Gotenks, not the why like they should be.

For all Piccolo knew, Gotenks could have had impeccable power but been slower than Raditz. A test was the only way to make sure.

Too many doubters take that scene to mean that Gotenks's power couldn't have been all that impressive if Piccolo felt the need to question his speed, when power was explicitly not the problem.
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p123 May 15 2013, 12:06 AM Post #41
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People hate to see Goku get surpassed.
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Vertical May 15 2013, 12:29 AM Post #42
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 The previous successful fusion had shown Gotenks power:speed ratio [even if only briefly as he ran off to battle]. Perhaps his ratio was slightly skewed and this was why Piccolo was concerned... but skewed to the point of greater than 2:1... that's a bit of a stretch.
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p123 May 15 2013, 12:30 AM Post #43
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Sure but Base Gotenks was never supposed to fight Buu. Piccolo is just staying on his p's and q's.
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IllogicalGlory May 15 2013, 12:35 AM Post #44
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I agree with the chain, I just didn't agree with the scale. When the comment was made you had the gap at roughly 4x [which seemed unnecessarily high], now it's at roughly 2x [which is far more reasonable].

Although now that presents another issue... [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks being so far above SSJ3 Goku/Fat Buu. Would Piccolo really bother questioning his speed if he was over 2x Fat Buu/SSJ3 Goku?
I've changed the list quite a bit, now base pre Gotenks is where he belongs, but he's 4 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku now. Ehh...
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Vertical May 15 2013, 12:55 AM Post #45
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 Alright, although I do not agree with the size of the gap between [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks and Fat Buu/SSJ3 Goku, I won't force the issue. It seems many people do not have a problem with it, so it should be fine for your list.

Would I be correct in assuming you do not use a fixed or simple fusion formula? I am very interested in [Post-RoSaT] Goten's placement.
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