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May 14 2013, 06:02 AM Post #16 |
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That Gap can actually be covered by training much more .. which is what vegeta did .. otherwise , the gap between goku and vegeta would have increased much more in the 7 years |
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| Vertical | May 14 2013, 06:13 AM Post #17 |
 
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Considering the sentence structure, the "gap" or "difference" Vegeta mentions would be referring to Goku being a "greater genius" or "more gifted". Vegeta may or may not have managed to keep the power difference the same [or even close it slightly] through more intense, or simply greater volume of training. That would have to be determined elsewhere though, as this quote holds nothing to support it. Edited by Vertical, May 14 2013, 06:18 AM.
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May 14 2013, 06:37 AM Post #18 |
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Thats true . Now think about this . Vegeta trained for 7 years ALONE in the old-fashioned way . Goku Trained in the otherworld for 7 years . and whatever happens , i cant believe that he actually never faced or trained with someone strong in the otherworld [becoz he surely wasnt the 1st guy to get his body and train in the otherworld ] Vegeta was alive and it doesnt matter how much a saiyan can take and train , he HAS to get tired and has to eat and rest at least for a short time to get ready for another time . Goku , on the other hand , dont really need to rest , becoz he rarely gets tired in the otherworld , has more time and people and opportunity to train . And its becoz of these benefits , goku got SSj3 [though i wont take this up now] goku got enormous benefits and vegeta had ZERO benefits , but still vegeta maintained the same power gap [or closed the gap a bit] he and goku had What i believe is that , Vegeta gave Goku too much credit
Considering the enormous benefits Goku had , THIS doesnt work ... and i believe Vegeta didnt know about this .. so he said this . While the actual thing is that Goku is as great as a fighting genius as vegeta is ... and i think Vegeta is a greater genius Edited by DSB, May 14 2013, 06:38 AM.
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| Vertical | May 14 2013, 09:48 AM Post #19 |
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Vegeta is constantly amazed by Goku. Vegeta's observations of Goku [Vegeta's reaction in quotation]: - dies to Raditz: "Hah" - one year later kills Nappa, forces Vegeta to transform: "WTF" - arrives on Namek stronger than the Ginyu Force that Vegeta had almost died against moments before: "WTF" - arrives at Freeza battle more a match for initial Freeza than Vegeta was: "WTF" - achieves Super Saiyan first: "WTF" - achieves more in one year of RoSaT time than Vegeta did in two: "WTF" - returns from the dead still well ahead of Vegeta even though Vegeta obviously trained his a** off: "FFS" "Vegeta works harder, Goku works smarter [but also hard]" I believe is the overall intended message. Goku also has all the benefits of being the main character. Vegeta can't say "I could never catch you because you're the main character", so he blames it on "genius". |
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May 14 2013, 10:08 AM Post #20 |
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If have to see the flip side of the coin too Soon after Vegeta see the Main Character go beyond him , he catches up or surpasses him , without being the main character . What can be achieved my hard-work cant be achieved by smart-work |
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| Vertical | May 14 2013, 10:40 AM Post #21 |
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Vegeta only catches Goku once... when Goku is dying of some heart disease. RoSaT does not count because Goku had not had his turn yet. And the whole Freeza mess should not count either as Goku was out of commission. Vegeta is, by far, the hardest trainer in the series. No doubt in my mind. What prevents him from surpassing Goku is his motivation source, and his training methods. It is incredible that he manages to keep up. |
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| + Pyrus | May 14 2013, 04:14 PM Post #22 |
 
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It wasn't really that Goku was affected by the heart disease. Vegeta simply surpassed him fair and square at that point. |
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May 14 2013, 09:14 PM Post #23 |
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You can honestly get by with the official boosts for Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3. There's plenty of room. I just don't know why I would want to do that. It leaves a squished feeling to use those numbers and correlate it with the rest of the story. |
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| Goddess Ultimecia | May 14 2013, 09:19 PM Post #24 |
 
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I believe you hit the nail in the head there with it feeling squished, i mean a 2x SSJ2 multiplier, MSSJ Gohan was overwhelmed by PC using his full out speed, PC powers up and makes them worried for SSJ2 Gohan yet he practically one shots FPPC, then SPC forms and then is atleast somewhere near equal with SSJ2 Gohan, all that happens and yet 2x SSJ2 works? Yeah.... |
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| + Emmeth | May 14 2013, 09:19 PM Post #25 |
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Dabra should be higher than SSJ Gohan, Yamcha should be lower than Tenshinhan and Goku should be stronger than Gohan EoZ. Otherwise, good. |
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May 14 2013, 09:25 PM Post #26 |
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I don't think Dabura has to be stronger. He's probably equal with Gohan, maybe even a little weaker. Dabura is first shown losing the hand to hand fight with Gohan. Then Dabura starts using tactics and his magic abilities. Goku goes on to comment how Dabura is a lot tougher because of this. So it's Dabura's magic that makes him so hard for Gohan to beat, his actual power level doesn't have to be stronger than Gohan. And Goku should never be stronger than Ultimate Gohan in the manga. Edited by p123, May 14 2013, 09:25 PM.
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| + Pyrus | May 14 2013, 09:25 PM Post #27 |
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Why? One word question. |
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| + Emmeth | May 14 2013, 09:28 PM Post #28 |
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Goku continued to train. Gohan didn't. |
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| + Pyrus | May 14 2013, 09:29 PM Post #29 |
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That doesn't explain how Goku would make up such a huge gap. That just tells me what I already knew. |
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May 14 2013, 09:33 PM Post #30 |
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Gohan is already stronger than he could have ever been through training. Ultimate Gohan > Gohan Max Potential > Goku Max Potential This is a wall that hard work cannot scale. |
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