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Vegetas power level during Ginyu force and Jeish?
Topic Started: May 13 2013, 07:49 PM (2,031 Views)
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You guys can say that, but then how are you justified in saying that Goku meant SSJ 2 Gohan in relation to the Z sword and Fat Buu? We know that Goku saw SSJ 2 Gohan in the Cell games, and he only had a split second to consider his power. Vegeta also had seen Goku's true power, so why would it be any different?
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Those are two totally different cases. Vegeta is visibly shocked by what he sees going on in front of him right there, while Goku is considering Gohan's chances in the long run with a cool head.

Not that it matters, but Kaio-ken's also a technique which Vegeta might not understand at this point too.
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Goku never put out his whole 90k base power against Ginyu let alone the henchmen.
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May 16 2013, 12:57 AM
Goku never put out his whole 90k base power against Ginyu let alone the henchmen.
He used his 90k power against Ginyu when they got serious.
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^When? I remember Ginyu predicting he'd go no higher than 85,000 right before Goku powered up + Kaio-ken'd.
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May 16 2013, 01:02 AM
^When? I remember Ginyu predicting he'd go no higher than 85,000 right before Goku powered up + Kaio-ken'd.
Read the fight again. It happened, unless you think Goku remained at 60k after Ginyu charged up to 120k.
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So you think he used bursts of 90,000 the way he used bursts of ~60,000 against Jeice and Burter? Only way to explain the fact that he wasn't at 90,000 after Ginyu set him free.
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The only part that troubles me is how Vegeta considers Goku a SSJ at 60 000, but only considers himself one when he fights Frieza. It doesn't make sense.
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When he fights Jeice he mentions that Goku could never become a Super Saiyan IIRC, while he was getting close. His initial assumption was likely just a result of witnessing Goku's ridiculous performance which would naturally make him feel like a bug.
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Kyo said it. It was a hasty decision. Once he calmed down, he realized Goku wasn't really the Saiyan of legend yet.

@Kyo: What are you even talking about? You're wrong.
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You say Goku used 90,000 against Ginyu. But when Ginyu tells him to stop hiding his power (before the Kaio-ken), Goku still hadn't gone past 85,000.
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I don't believe you.
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Ginyu didn't have a scouter and was guessing Goku wasn't over 85k.

Vegeta I still think sensed the whole 90k during the fight.
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May 16 2013, 02:26 AM
Ginyu didn't have a scouter and was guessing Goku wasn't over 85k.

Vegeta I still think sensed the whole 90k during the fight.
Prove yourself, child!
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May 16 2013, 02:26 AM
Ginyu didn't have a scouter and was guessing Goku wasn't over 85k.
He fought Goku, so he'd know what kind of level Goku was fighting at, given that he was also able to conclude from their fight that Goku was greater than he thought (i.e. 60,000). Plus, the scouter doesn't hit 90,000 until after Goku starts powering up.
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