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Post your gap between Syn Shenron and Super 17 (at his strongest)
Topic Started: May 13 2013, 04:55 PM (595 Views)
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I would go for 4x-5x

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Syn Shenron - 5x
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There is a theory that Super Saiyan 4 looks less and less impressive as the show goes on because each time he uses it, it unlocks his potential (as the GTPF say) and that power then transfers to his Base power.

So at the end of the Baby arc, Base Goku would be as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku was; at the end of the S17 arc, Base Goku would be as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku was; and so on, leading to incredible jumps in power between arcs concerning some of the heroes and all of the relevant villains.

If you go by that theory, Yi Xing Long would be multifolds stronger than Super Android #17.
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And even if you don't, Yi Xing Long was strong enough to effortlessly tank the 10x Kamehameha, which Super #17 barely managed to absorb, with Mu being doubtful on believing even #17 could absorb that. That alone should put Yi at around a 2x advantage at least. Consider the possibility that absorbing energy from a ki blast may not be as close to 100% absorption as absorbing it through the opponent's body (as I remember P once put up a fair argument for IIRC) and you'd end up with the gap between them being even higher.
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Pre 10x KHH Syn one shots S17 post Absorption Syn tears him apart the same way he did SSJ4 Goku.
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May 13 2013, 10:04 PM
Pre 10x KHH Syn one shots S17 post Absorption Syn tears him apart the same way he did SSJ4 Goku.
The thread isn't asking who'd win. The answer to that's already obvious to anyone who took even the slightest amount of time to watch GT. It's asking what you estimate the gap between them to be.
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May 13 2013, 06:04 PM
There is a theory that Super Saiyan 4 looks less and less impressive as the show goes on because each time he uses it, it unlocks his potential (as the GTPF say) and that power then transfers to his Base power.

So at the end of the Baby arc, Base Goku would be as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku was; at the end of the S17 arc, Base Goku would be as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku was; and so on, leading to incredible jumps in power between arcs concerning some of the heroes and all of the relevant villains.

If you go by that theory, Yi Xing Long would be multifolds stronger than Super Android #17.
What is there to back up this theory though? And how would he keep gaining massive amounts of potential to make his SSJ 4 so effective?
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May 13 2013, 10:49 PM
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May 13 2013, 06:04 PM
There is a theory that Super Saiyan 4 looks less and less impressive as the show goes on because each time he uses it, it unlocks his potential (as the GTPF say) and that power then transfers to his Base power.

So at the end of the Baby arc, Base Goku would be as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku was; at the end of the S17 arc, Base Goku would be as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku was; and so on, leading to incredible jumps in power between arcs concerning some of the heroes and all of the relevant villains.

If you go by that theory, Yi Xing Long would be multifolds stronger than Super Android #17.
What is there to back up this theory though? And how would he keep gaining massive amounts of potential to make his SSJ 4 so effective?
Didn't you think Super Saiyan 4 looked less and less impressive the more it was used? Didn't it seem to not make a difference sometimes whether Goku fought in Base or Super Saiyan 4?

Not solely just because of the person he was facing either.
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May 13 2013, 10:53 PM
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May 13 2013, 10:49 PM
Darth Pyrus
May 13 2013, 06:04 PM
There is a theory that Super Saiyan 4 looks less and less impressive as the show goes on because each time he uses it, it unlocks his potential (as the GTPF say) and that power then transfers to his Base power.

So at the end of the Baby arc, Base Goku would be as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku was; at the end of the S17 arc, Base Goku would be as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku was; and so on, leading to incredible jumps in power between arcs concerning some of the heroes and all of the relevant villains.

If you go by that theory, Yi Xing Long would be multifolds stronger than Super Android #17.
What is there to back up this theory though? And how would he keep gaining massive amounts of potential to make his SSJ 4 so effective?
Didn't you think Super Saiyan 4 looked less and less impressive the more it was used? Didn't it seem to not make a difference sometimes whether Goku fought in Base or Super Saiyan 4?

Not solely just because of the person he was facing either.
Well yes I would agree, like how Base Goku took shots from Omega and lived. But still, I can't think of any feats for base Goku to put him that high.
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Fascinating. I think Super Android 17 is severly underrated. Granted it's because of the Base Goku killing him thing, but to be fair Super Seventeen dominated every single GT fighter all the way through Super Saiyan Four Goku, until he let his guard down for the sake of his twin sister and lost the fight.
But otherwise I'd say he put up the best fight of any GT Villain except for Syn and Omega Shenron. So he's at a minimum stronger than Nouva and Eise Shenron, who were both in turn taken down moderately easily by Goku and Omega. So I'd honestly only put the gap at about 2 - 3 at most in all honesty. I'd love to see the fight though, I think it would be interesting to see ultimate magical evil versus the ultimate technological evil.
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Darth Pyrus
May 13 2013, 06:04 PM
There is a theory that Super Saiyan 4 looks less and less impressive as the show goes on because each time he uses it, it unlocks his potential (as the GTPF say) and that power then transfers to his Base power.

So at the end of the Baby arc, Base Goku would be as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku was; at the end of the S17 arc, Base Goku would be as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku was; and so on, leading to incredible jumps in power between arcs concerning some of the heroes and all of the relevant villains.

If you go by that theory, Yi Xing Long would be multifolds stronger than Super Android #17.
This doesnt hold up in any accounts

U have any proof for this ?
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May 13 2013, 06:04 PM
There is a theory that Super Saiyan 4 looks less and less impressive as the show goes on because each time he uses it, it unlocks his potential (as the GTPF say) and that power then transfers to his Base power.

So at the end of the Baby arc, Base Goku would be as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku was; at the end of the S17 arc, Base Goku would be as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku was; and so on, leading to incredible jumps in power between arcs concerning some of the heroes and all of the relevant villains.

If you go by that theory, Yi Xing Long would be multifolds stronger than Super Android #17.
This doesnt hold up in any accounts

U have any proof for this ?
I have more proof than you have proof against.
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May 14 2013, 05:16 AM
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May 14 2013, 05:13 AM
Darth Pyrus
May 13 2013, 06:04 PM
There is a theory that Super Saiyan 4 looks less and less impressive as the show goes on because each time he uses it, it unlocks his potential (as the GTPF say) and that power then transfers to his Base power.

So at the end of the Baby arc, Base Goku would be as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku was; at the end of the S17 arc, Base Goku would be as powerful as Super Saiyan 4 Goku was; and so on, leading to incredible jumps in power between arcs concerning some of the heroes and all of the relevant villains.

If you go by that theory, Yi Xing Long would be multifolds stronger than Super Android #17.
This doesnt hold up in any accounts

U have any proof for this ?
I have more proof than you have proof against.
really ?

Surely u dont wanna pick up Base Goku beats S17 as a proof ....

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I actually have a theory that SSJ4 doesn't increase in power at all till Goku goes beyond his limits.
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