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Lssj broly vs majin vegeta
Topic Started: May 12 2013, 02:24 AM (3,689 Views)
+ Pyrus May 13 2013, 05:55 PM Post #61
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May 13 2013, 02:52 AM
You mean how Gohan reverted back to Base from getting his butt kicked, and if Gohan could have gone SS2 he would have used it from the start.

But, let's go with this... Gohan was weak as it is, and so was Goten... so, for Broli to be beaten by a weak Gohan and weak Goten, and only one fresh person... Broli is still weak.
You're still ignoring the blatant visualization that Gohan had two bangs up until Goku yelled at them to finish it, and then had one bang, which was not due to the wind's intervention. This artistic (and storytelling) choice is only further backed up by the character sketches from the Daizenshuu and the two styles shown for Gohan in the movie.

Not to mention Goku yelled at them precisely for not giving everything they had, which prompted the Final Push.
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Saberoph May 13 2013, 06:10 PM Post #62
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 You mean when they yelled Gohan's bang flew to the side and up?

You're ignoring that, and that's not a sign of Transforming.
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+ Pyrus May 13 2013, 06:25 PM Post #63
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May 13 2013, 06:10 PM
You mean when they yelled Gohan's bang flew to the side and up?

You're ignoring that, and that's not a sign of Transforming.


Goku: "Gohan, you ain't giving enough power! Goten, don't be scared! Is it fine with you guys if the Earth is smashed to pieces by Broly? Can't you protect it if I ain't around?!"

When I get home I'll have to do a pause of the exact moments from the Kamehameha.

I'm second guessing myself at the moment. I may have been arguing this for Goku's case a while back and now thought it was for Gohan.
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Saberoph May 13 2013, 06:30 PM Post #64
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 If this had been possible Cell would have bulked up during his Kamehameha, in Coolers revenge Kakarrot had SS at his disposal and didn't Transform during his Kamehameha, when Gohan went SS in the Rosat he had to Break his beam to Transform, then deflected it.

That's 3 cases to one where a Transformation could have happened during a beam struggle... but it never happened.

Sure, you can argue Coolers Revenge, that he still needed an emotional trigger to go SS, but the point still stands, where a Transformation was needed and completely necessary during a beam struggle, yet it didn't happen.

Just because their bangs fly up, means they Transformed... if we went by that, then every time a Super Saiyan's bangs flies up means they've Transformed.

But, let me talk from that pov for a minute. Even if Gohan did go SS2, he's weakened by quite an amount, and Goten is also weakened, and Broli's SS is higher than Boo arc SS Kakarrot, so Broli's LSS would be higher of very close to SS2 Kakarrot. This would still make Broli weak no matter what, and it would put him at low SS2 tier.
Edited by Saberoph, May 13 2013, 06:51 PM.
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GrooseStrikesBack May 13 2013, 10:26 PM Post #65
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Yep. Majin Vegeta was even with SSJ2 Goku, but it took 2 SSJ2s and a SSJ to beat Borly.

Give it to Borly sadly.
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+ Pyrus May 15 2013, 11:11 PM Post #66
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 Saberoph, I'm a little stumped here. Broly trounced Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan with little effort, yet as you're proposing, he was beaten by three Super Saiyans.

So to you, a Kamehameha from Super Saiyan Goku (Boo arc), Super Saiyan Teen Gohan, and Super Saiyan Goten is much stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan.
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Saberoph May 15 2013, 11:19 PM Post #67
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 That's why I said even going by what you believe... would it really make that huge of a difference, since only one of them was fresh, and Broli should logically be near equal to or maybe a little stronger than SS2 Kakarrot, and SS2 Gohan would be weak and more than likely just holding SS2 and SS Goten had the crap beaten out of him, so he wouldn't have much left as it is.

So, would it really matter that much if Gohan and Kakarrot were SS2? The only one there who might make a difference is Kakarrot.
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+ Pyrus May 15 2013, 11:21 PM Post #68
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 It makes more sense if someone is a Super Saiyan 2.
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Saberoph May 15 2013, 11:29 PM Post #69
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 I realize that, but wouldn't that still make Broli a weak SS2 Tier no matter what?
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+ Pyrus May 15 2013, 11:40 PM Post #70
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 Not based on his ownage of Gohan. Ending him in three hits is impressive.
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Saberoph May 15 2013, 11:44 PM Post #71
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 Any SS2 Tier can beat Teen Gohan... he was piss weak as it is, so it's not that impressive beating him.
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+ miguelnuva May 16 2013, 02:17 AM Post #72
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May 15 2013, 11:11 PM
Saberoph, I'm a little stumped here. Broly trounced Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan with little effort, yet as you're proposing, he was beaten by three Super Saiyans.

So to you, a Kamehameha from Super Saiyan Goku (Boo arc), Super Saiyan Teen Gohan, and Super Saiyan Goten is much stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan.
SSJ2 to me is a 4x amp of MSSJ

while Kamemehama is a 3x amp of MSSJ.

Goku is much stronger than Teen Gohan at this point.

SSJ2 Teen Gohan was able to inflect more damage then the combined Z warriors did in M8 as he was able to stun Broly twice for a short amount of time.

A combined kamehameha from MSSJ Goku, MSSJ Gohan and MSSJ Goten would be much stronger than SSJ2 teen Gohan and possiblyt stronger than a Kamehameha from SSJ2 Gohan.
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DSB May 16 2013, 04:22 AM Post #73
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 The family KHH , whatever u say , is stronger than the total combined power of SSJ teen gohan , MSSj/SSj2 Goku and MSSj Goten

Its stronger than almost anyone seen close to the SSj2 level ...

That LSSj Broly [M10] ~ Good Buu doesnt come from thin air
It comes becoz of this reason
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kidboo_ftw May 16 2013, 03:43 PM Post #74
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 Majin Vegeta easily wins...

Even Teen Gohan (Cell-Saga) would f*** Brolys Anus... dont forget that Gohan is a lot of weaker than in Cell-Saga because he did not train for years..

and you should know that Majin Vegeta is a lot of stronger than SSJ2 Teen Gohan (Cell-Saga) like Piccolo said it...

2 many Broly Fanboys here -_-
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DSB May 16 2013, 04:38 PM Post #75
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 ^ Im a Gogeta Fanboy , not a broly

But a Family KHH is easily > SSj2 Majin Vegeta
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