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Lssj broly vs majin vegeta
Topic Started: May 12 2013, 02:24 AM (3,692 Views)
TheACE May 12 2013, 03:59 PM Post #16
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May 12 2013, 03:16 PM
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Goku wasn't technically there are far as we know, that was just a glorified Father-Son Kamehameha.

Isn't that a bit hard to back up when Goku's feet are clearly heard touching the solid ground, and Broly can actually see him?
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Gohan being either a Super Saiyan or perhaps Saiyan Ascended Beyond a Super Saiyan was just about as tough as Broly, give or take a wrestling slam or two.

Gohan was barbequed shrimp to Broly. He admitted it himself.
Well I'll give you that Broly had an edge in the hand-to-hand department, but as far as Goku goes I think it was unclear.

Goku's been back as a spirit a couple times and a number of people often see and don't see him depending on the circumstance. That and... c'mon we're calling Broly credible? The guy's nuttier than a can of pistachios. I don't think his vocabulary expands past sadistic one liners, screaming Kakarot and blank stare.
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+ Pyrus May 12 2013, 04:05 PM Post #17
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 Broly and everybody else saw him. That and him making a physical sound is enough to convince me that he was there momentarily, that it wasn't just his spirit giving the boys a pep talk.
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Saberoph May 12 2013, 04:06 PM Post #18
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 In DBZ history a Saiyan has Never had the ability to Transform during a beam struggle, those rules don't all of a sudden get broken just because this is a Broli Movie. So, Broli got defeated by two weakened SS and a fresh SS.

But, I just want to be clear on this before I give my answer...

Is this Pre Budokai Main Timeline Gohan that fights Broli, or is this What If Gohan Trained during the 7 years of peace?
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+ Pyrus May 12 2013, 04:14 PM Post #19
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May 12 2013, 04:06 PM
In DBZ history a Saiyan has Never had the ability to Transform during a beam struggle, those rules don't all of a sudden get broken just because this is a Broli Movie. So, Broli got defeated by two weakened SS and a fresh SS.

But, I just want to be clear on this before I give my answer...

Is this Pre Budokai Main Timeline Gohan that fights Broli, or is this What If Gohan Trained during the 7 years of peace?
Is it really a rule? Has there ever been a case where a Saiyan got a second wind during a beam struggle with the ability to transform up yet didn't? I can't recall one. I don't see why it's impossible, especially when the physical cues from Gohan are largely clear.
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Saberoph May 12 2013, 04:24 PM Post #20
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 It's never happened before or after the Movie.

It still doesn't mean it should all of a sudden happen because Broli is involved, the only time we got anything was Kakarrot using Kaioken during his Kamehameha, after that no Saiyan has Never and after M10 still Never Transformed after it.

At least with energy absorbing, it was done before and after M8.
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+ Pyrus May 12 2013, 05:12 PM Post #21
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May 12 2013, 04:24 PM
It's never happened before or after the Movie.

It still doesn't mean it should all of a sudden happen because Broli is involved, the only time we got anything was Kakarrot using Kaioken during his Kamehameha, after that no Saiyan has Never and after M10 still Never Transformed after it.

At least with energy absorbing, it was done before and after M8.
Let me rephrase.

Vegeta is in a beam struggle with Kid Boo. He's a Super Saiyan but has the ability to go Super Saiyan 2. He doesn't. Does that mean it's impossible for him to transform higher?
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+ Kyouks May 12 2013, 05:36 PM Post #22
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 It doesn't happen because Broly is involved (seriously, where's that coming from?), it happens because we see it happen...Does something really need to happen (literally, not potentially) more than once to, for lack of a better word, bypass an imaginary rule?
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Saberoph May 12 2013, 05:38 PM Post #23
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 Well, if in every situation where someone can Transform higher and doesn't... then, yes.

And like I said before, just because this is a Broli Movie, all of a sudden a Saiyan magically can Transform in a beam struggle. If a Saiyan has Never done it before or after, then it's very obvious that they can't.

Using that same logic, Vegeta couldn't go SS2 before he became Majin.
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+ Majin Vegeta May 12 2013, 05:43 PM Post #24
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Goten wished that his dad was there if I recall, but I belive he wished that he would only be there to help him, so he was there.
Maybe it was just his spirit who inspired them or something like Gohan against Cell he did not gave his powers to Gohan's he was just encourage him,and if Goku was wished back really why didn't he stay there at all,unless he was just there to help for the moment
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RMadrid May 12 2013, 05:52 PM Post #25
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goku was ssj1 during the beam struggle and so was gohan. Their hair proves it . and majin vegeta would best broly. Also there's a reason why vegeta wasn't in the movie, because he wouldve beaten broly .__.
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+ Pyrus May 12 2013, 08:25 PM Post #26
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Well, if in every situation where someone can Transform higher and doesn't... then, yes.

And like I said before, just because this is a Broli Movie, all of a sudden a Saiyan magically can Transform in a beam struggle. If a Saiyan has Never done it before or after, then it's very obvious that they can't.

Using that same logic, Vegeta couldn't go SS2 before he became Majin.

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May 12 2013, 05:36 PM
It doesn't happen because Broly is involved (seriously, where's that coming from?), it happens because we see it happen...Does something really need to happen (literally, not potentially) more than once to, for lack of a better word, bypass an imaginary rule?

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May 12 2013, 05:52 PM
goku was ssj1 during the beam struggle and so was gohan. Their hair proves it . and majin vegeta would best broly. Also there's a reason why vegeta wasn't in the movie, because he wouldve beaten broly .__.

That's like saying Piccolo wasn't in any of the movies after Movie 9 because he was too powerful and it would've made for a short movie.
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TheACE May 12 2013, 08:31 PM Post #27
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May 12 2013, 08:25 PM
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May 12 2013, 05:38 PM
Well, if in every situation where someone can Transform higher and doesn't... then, yes.

And like I said before, just because this is a Broli Movie, all of a sudden a Saiyan magically can Transform in a beam struggle. If a Saiyan has Never done it before or after, then it's very obvious that they can't.

Using that same logic, Vegeta couldn't go SS2 before he became Majin.

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May 12 2013, 05:36 PM
It doesn't happen because Broly is involved (seriously, where's that coming from?), it happens because we see it happen...Does something really need to happen (literally, not potentially) more than once to, for lack of a better word, bypass an imaginary rule?

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RMadrid
May 12 2013, 05:52 PM
goku was ssj1 during the beam struggle and so was gohan. Their hair proves it . and majin vegeta would best broly. Also there's a reason why vegeta wasn't in the movie, because he wouldve beaten broly .__.

That's like saying Piccolo wasn't in any of the movies after Movie 9 because he was too powerful and it would've made for a short movie.
Well actually I think Bio-Broly wouldn't have been nearly as painful and long if Piccolo DID show up.
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Saberoph May 12 2013, 08:56 PM Post #28
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May 12 2013, 05:38 PM
Well, if in every situation where someone can Transform higher and doesn't... then, yes.

And like I said before, just because this is a Broli Movie, all of a sudden a Saiyan magically can Transform in a beam struggle. If a Saiyan has Never done it before or after, then it's very obvious that they can't.

Using that same logic, Vegeta couldn't go SS2 before he became Majin.

Kyouka Suigetsu
May 12 2013, 05:36 PM
It doesn't happen because Broly is involved (seriously, where's that coming from?), it happens because we see it happen...Does something really need to happen (literally, not potentially) more than once to, for lack of a better word, bypass an imaginary rule?

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RMadrid
May 12 2013, 05:52 PM
goku was ssj1 during the beam struggle and so was gohan. Their hair proves it . and majin vegeta would best broly. Also there's a reason why vegeta wasn't in the movie, because he wouldve beaten broly .__.

That's like saying Piccolo wasn't in any of the movies after Movie 9 because he was too powerful and it would've made for a short movie.
Uh, in Movie 10 he would be dead, in 11 he would knocked around too, and in 12 it would have been entertaining to see, and in 13 he would be completely useless... so, that doesn't really hold up.

Also, until proven a Saiyan can Transform while in a beam struggle with 100% evidence, then it doesn't happen.

And to say Kakarrot went SS2 in the beam struggle, he also went SS2 in the Rosat with Gohan using the same logic.
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Frostmourne May 12 2013, 09:36 PM Post #29
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Goten wished that his dad was there if I recall, but I belive he wished that he would only be there to help him, so he was there.
Maybe it was just his spirit who inspired them or something like Gohan against Cell he did not gave his powers to Gohan's he was just encourage him,and if Goku was wished back really why didn't he stay there at all,unless he was just there to help for the moment
Like I said before, the wish was to wish Goku back only during the moment against the final battle against Broli. Everyone saw him, physically. The wish wasn't to revive him forever, only for the moment against the beam struggle against Broli.
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+ Pyrus May 12 2013, 09:37 PM Post #30
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Uh, in Movie 10 he would be dead, in 11 he would knocked around too, and in 12 it would have been entertaining to see, and in 13 he would be completely useless... so, that doesn't really hold up.

You missed the point, sir. Claiming Vegeta wasn't in the movie because he would have beaten the villain is flawed because the same logic can be used for someone like Piccolo.
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Also, until proven a Saiyan can Transform while in a beam struggle with 100% evidence, then it doesn't happen.

Because it absolutely 100% positively isn't possible for a Saiyan to do no matter what, right? Right?

Nevermind the video evidence of it happening?
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And to say Kakarrot went SS2 in the beam struggle, he also went SS2 in the Rosat with Gohan using the same logic.

Ja, he went Super Saiyan 2 despite the form being merely in its sample phase at that point and Gohan being explicitly shown and stated to be the first one to achieve it. Flawed logic.
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