The kids EOZ

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The kids EOZ
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SSJ	May 11 2013, 11:07 PM Post #1
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	So they did make gains according to the daizenshuu. "10 YEARS LATER First Appears: Vol. 42 Having fully become an adult, he is now at about the same age as adult Trunks. Since he doesn't train very often, he hasn't explosively powered up." I bolded the word explosively, because it makes it seem like they got stronger, but just not by a massive amount. Edited by SSJ, May 11 2013, 11:07 PM.



+ Pyrus	May 11 2013, 11:09 PM Post #2
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	It doesn't contradict anything. It would be highly impractical for the kids to suddenly stop training after Majin Boo's demise. It would only seem logical for them to focus on other things as their teen years approached.
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SSJ	May 11 2013, 11:13 PM Post #3
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	I agree, I just believe they made minor gains. Buu arc: 100 EOZ: 120



Super Gohan	May 12 2013, 01:33 AM Post #4
Posts: 674 Group: Member Member #6,283 Joined: May 29, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	In the same book it clarifies that he did not train: It was already shown with Gohan that neglecting to train consistently will put them in a deficient state. Despite focusing on training for the entire month leading up to the tournament, it wasn't enough to make up for all the years he slacked off and what gains he did make does not bring him near to even his former strength.



~~Professor Gohan~~	May 12 2013, 01:36 AM Post #5
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	So does that mean that Goten continued and ended up stronger?



Super Gohan	May 12 2013, 01:41 AM Post #6
Posts: 674 Group: Member Member #6,283 Joined: May 29, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Professor Gohan May 12 2013, 01:36 AM So does that mean that Goten continued and ended up stronger? From what the scene in the manga shows, it would lead the reader to believe that Goten was out of shape.



SSJ	May 12 2013, 01:49 AM Post #7
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Interesting that it contradicts itself. If that is the case, how do we know which entry to believe. I remember the Jap anime saying something interesting, but I cannot remember what was said. Edit: found it Edited by SSJ, May 12 2013, 01:57 AM.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	May 12 2013, 01:57 AM Post #8
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	i feel like they did train a bit i mean comon goku and vegeta are ur father they probs trained some what but no major gain



Super Gohan	May 12 2013, 02:05 AM Post #9
Posts: 674 Group: Member Member #6,283 Joined: May 29, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	SuperSaiyan3 May 12 2013, 01:49 AM Interesting that it contradicts itself. If that is the case, how do we know which entry to believe. I remember the Jap anime saying something interesting, but I cannot remember what was said. It doesn't truly contradict itself. The excerpt you posted was the specific period after ten years have past where they are in training for the tournament. They weren't indicated to have trained before then.



~~DSB~~	May 12 2013, 05:26 AM Post #10
The Showstopper Posts: 3,850 Group: Suspended Member #8,626 Joined: November 29, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox 16 Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	SuperSaiyan3 May 12 2013, 01:49 AM Interesting that it contradicts itself. If that is the case, how do we know which entry to believe. I remember the Jap anime saying something interesting, but I cannot remember what was said. Edit: found it "How Weak our Children are becoming" This is natural for vegeta to say this .. He [and Goku]trained in the 10 years gap and their powers in base eclipsed their powers in SSj2 [in the buu arc] They expected the kids to train and make similar gains . But even if they made minor gains , it is so less that the kids are now weak sauce to them
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+ Emmeth	May 12 2013, 06:08 AM Post #11
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	How about this: Goten and Trunks trained after Chibi Boo's demise, but Goku and Vegeta trained even more and expected their kids to train as hard. Goku and Vegeta made big gains, while the kids made smaller gains. That's why Vegeta says they are weak.
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* Crashbreaka	May 12 2013, 06:39 AM Post #12
Captain Oblivious Posts: 6,888 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,771 Joined: June 14, 2012 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Onepunch-Man, Gurren Lagann What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Seven Deadly Sins, Food Wars, Onepunch-Man	That sounds good to me. I'd go with a small gap myself, maybe like 1.2 or sutin.



* Ketchup Revenge	May 12 2013, 03:06 PM Post #13
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	The problem that is that people always assume that "strength" or "weakness" refers strictly to battle power, while most of the time, the characters who scrutinize are referring to mental sharpness and/or skill. Goten and Trunks had gotten rusty, but I wouldn't go as far to say that they'd gotten physically weaker. Same as Gohan being weaker as a teen than as a kid (TRUE teen and kid). There's nothing to suggest that he actually got physically weaker. His power lapse that Vegeta noted was suggested to be because he wasn't mad when we see him at SSj2 against Kabito. Vegeta also later makes clear note that Gohan wasn't as sharp against Dabra as he was against Cell.
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Andro	May 12 2013, 04:37 PM Post #14
Posts: 1,854 Group: Member Member #7,941 Joined: July 13, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None	Well, it's more probable that through the 10 year period Goten trained with his dad on his own passe. As Darth Pyrus said, he had more things on his mind other than training. As for Trunks, I don't know. He probably trained with his father once in a while or on his own. I can imagine him thinking that he couldn't let Goten catch ahead of him. But, yeah. I can see both of them training in their own pace. Not over the top, risky training, but just simple basic methods of training that wouldn't let them fall behind as fighters / martial artists. Edited by Andro, May 12 2013, 04:44 PM.



Super Gohan	May 12 2013, 05:27 PM Post #15
Posts: 674 Group: Member Member #6,283 Joined: May 29, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	The same dialogue in the manga: Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P3.5 Vegeta: “Hmph. It pains us both how weak our children act.” Goku: “Haha, that’s true. Well, that’s peace for you.” Goten & Trunks were never at their fathers’ level to begin with, a great gap in their power has always existed. The kids neglecting to keep up with their training only exacerbates that difference, regardless if Goku & Vegeta got stronger or not. KetchupRevenge May 12 2013, 03:06 PM The problem that is that people always assume that "strength" or "weakness" refers strictly to battle power, while most of the time, the characters who scrutinize are referring to mental sharpness and/or skill. Goten and Trunks had gotten rusty, but I wouldn't go as far to say that they'd gotten physically weaker. Same as Gohan being weaker as a teen than as a kid (TRUE teen and kid). There's nothing to suggest that he actually got physically weaker. His power lapse that Vegeta noted was suggested to be because he wasn't mad when we see him at SSj2 against Kabito. Vegeta also later makes clear note that Gohan wasn't as sharp against Dabra as he was against Cell. Vegeta makes a blatant remark on Gohan’s physical weakness: Chapter: 423 (DBZ 229), P4.1 Vegeta: “Your body’s gotten rusty. No matter how peaceful it may be, you should still train just in case.” If SSJ transformations are supposedly multipliers of the Saiyan’s power, then clearly Gohan lost strength. What power he awakens through anger isn’t exclusive to a single form.



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