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| IllogicalGlory | May 8 2013, 01:23 AM Post #1 |
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We all know that Daizenshuu has been telling us all kinds of innacurate information. Who here wants to play Devil's advocate and defend the following points (you don't have to agree, with them, obviously)? ---Kami<King Piccolo/Goku ---Nappa's PL is 4,000 ---Raditz's PL is 1,500 (how did the SBC at 1,440 kill him?) ---Enraged Gohan<<Piccolo ---Gohan was SSJ2 against Dabura ---Frieza is only 12/15 of SSJ Goku (bigger than Vegeta vs Dodoria/Zarbon gap) ---Mr. Popo is 5 times as strong as Kami (if you argue that he strengthened during the saiyan training, don't forget that Daiz puts Yajirobe and Chiaotzu weaker than him, though it was stated that Mr. Popo and Kami couldn't teach them any more) ---Goku's PL is 8,000 (it's over 8,000) Any takers? |
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| + Emmeth | May 8 2013, 01:44 AM Post #2 |
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The only ones I can back up is Freeza being 12/15 of SSJ Goku and Goku's PL being 8,000. The latter is flat-out stated in the original manga. |
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| + Kyouks | May 8 2013, 02:02 AM Post #3 |
 
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Some of these like Enraged Gohan / Piccolo have more to do with questioning the other side's evidence as opposed to actually making an argument (ie, "how do you know Piccolo's words came true after he died? He didn't confirm it," "The reactions from everyone could be attributed to the fact that Gohan's a little kid generating that much power"). With some others you just have to assume/asspull (like "Goku was tired after messing with Popo and given the height of the lookout, the air was thin which tired Goku out even quicker which is the only reason Kami finger-flicked him. Popo is just really respectful of Kami, and you dunno whether or not Kami paid attention to Goku's fights when he thought he was still stronger than him at the 23rd Budokai"). For Nappa, the most common argument I've seen is his 'durability' (how this somehow allows Nappa to trade blows with Goku, I got no clue; it's used to explain Goku's line of the fight taking forever, though). With Freeza and Goku the only argument I can think of was that Goku was supposedly holding back given that (if I recall correctly) he had his mind on Gohan who was trying to escape Namek. Given that he meant to humiliate Freeza in under 5 minutes, though, and that they were near even whilst using their strongest chi attacks....yeah. With SSJ2 Gohan, the argument revolves around the fact that Goku guessed Dabura's power to be around that of Cell's, and there's also the fact that Goku tells Gohan to get angry like he was against Cell, as if he were suggesting that Gohan'd need that kind of power to defeat the likes of Dabura, and we saw the two of them fight roughly evenly, so one could be led to believe SSJ2 Gohan (enraged) > Dabura > any other Gohan (meaning >= SSJ2 Gohan). That's all I got at the mo'. Edited by Kyouks, May 8 2013, 02:08 AM.
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| IllogicalGlory | May 8 2013, 02:06 AM Post #4 |
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It's stated to be over 8,000, so exactly 8,000 is incorrect. |
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| + Emmeth | May 8 2013, 02:17 AM Post #5 |
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Oh. What's the big difference between 8000 and a bit over in a battle like that? Not much. |
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| + Kyouks | May 8 2013, 02:18 AM Post #6 |
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Argument for Goku being 8000 on da dot would be that it looks nicer ^.^ |
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May 8 2013, 04:07 AM Post #7 |
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How did nappa [of PL 4000] take on Goku [Pl 8000] ? Can anyone explain this ? I would like to know . its not like Nappa has was super durable |
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| + Pyrus | May 11 2013, 10:24 PM Post #8 |
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It was a piercing attack and he'd been weakened by Gohan's surprise assault.
Other Daizenshuu volumes contest this, as there are at least two other separate entries voting him in as a regular Super Saiyan.
No exact amount was given, so a rounded 8,000 is simpler and cleaner to look at. |
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| * Yu Narukami | May 11 2013, 11:05 PM Post #9 |
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1. As Kyooks said, Goku was tired and the air was very thin on the lookout 2. You could argue that they put this as his 'resting' level. Plus there's the whole 'durability' argument, just like when Recoome took a heavily-amped ki attack from Vegeta 3. The Makankosappo is a drilling attack, it doesn't need to be stronger to damage 4. The fact that a disorientated Piccolo with a small blast was able to damage Nappa quite a bit with a shot to the back suggests than an unamped ki attack from Piccolo is somewhere near Enraged Gohan's Masenko 5. The 'strong as Cell' statements and the fact that Gohan turned into a SSJ2 when calm at the Budokai 6. Don't see the problem. Goku was holding back, but the gap was completely obvious 7. Popo did get stronger during the Saiyan training. Just because Popo and Kami can't teach Yajirobe and Chiaotzu any more doesn't mean that they're weaker. 8. Could be 8,010 or 8,090, it's best to just round it up. |
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