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| List of power inconsistencies/nonsensical power-related stuff in GT | |
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| IllogicalGlory | May 4 2013, 06:18 AM Post #1 |
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1. (GT #19 3:27) Not so much an inconsistency (though it kind of is) Goku is able to beat Rildo without using Super Saiyan, after stating that Rildo is more powerful than Majin Buu, thus giving him a ridiculous “haxed” power level. 2. (GT #28 18:17) Gohan (who supposedly still has his “ultimate” power up and has trained) attempts to fight base Goku as an SSJ, yet he fails miserably and is defeated by Goku powering up. 3. (GT #38 4:16) Pan, who is significantly stronger than base Trunks, but most certainly nowhere near Goku or SSJ3 Goku (who is nowhere near SBV2 or Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta) manages to damage a SSJ4 tier fighter, the likes of which are so far above anything less than a SSJ4 that it’s ridiculous. 4. (GT #44 3:50) Android 18 attacks Android 17 in a fit of rage, managing to knock him back a great distance and cause him to spit out saliva. The same android 17 who defeated base Trunks (at this point a Super Buu tier fighter at the very least). He appears unharmed, but if the gap were so big, he would not have even moved (see Gogeta vs Janemba in Fusion Reborn, also see inconsistency #5). Not to mention that immediately after, she managed to survive a ki attack from him without much injury (also she holds it off for about a second with her own attack). 5. (GT #44 13:20) Majuub attempts to fight Super 17, who doesn’t even react at all (hey the gap must be bigger than between 17 and 18 right?). Then (GT #46 3:35) SSJ Goku begins to fight the same opponent, only he manages to THROW HIM ACROSS THE WORLD WITH ONE HIT. But wait, wasn’t SSJ3 Goku (Baby Saga) about as strong as first form Baby Vegeta (GT #29 9:23)? And Majuub was almost as strong as third form Baby Vegeta (GT #33 4:25), who was logically much higher than SSJ3 Goku. This gives us a really strange power chain: Super 17~>SSJ Goku (S17)>>>Majuub (S17)>>>SSJ3 Goku (Baby). 6. (GT #47 13:10) Goku defeats Super 17 with a Dragon Fist, in base, while he could barely do jack sh*t against him as an SSJ4 (because he made decisions that the dumbest person on the planet would realize is stupid). This presents us with a whole mess of crap to sort out. Why? Because it tells us that a base Dragon Fist is much stronger than SSJ4, it also makes no sense because of the state Goku was in when he pulled it off. He was beaten to the point where could not even move, and yet he somehow manages to not only use a crazy overpowered Dragon Fist, but multiple Kamehamehas afterwards? Yeah, Goku most certainly couldn’t walk, but there’s no reason why he can’t kick ludicrous amounts of a*s in that condition, is there? 7. (GT #50) I’m too lazy to get exact citations for this because it’s complicated, but take my word for it: Rage Shenron is completely weird in every way. His power comes from a city’s POWER GRID (oh yeah, that’s gonna be more power than an SSJ4 for sure!) and yet he manages to reflect a 10x Kamehameha when Goku is SSJ4, and then rain kills him randomly, it’s just so stupid it’s hard to even think about. 8. (GT #63 3:35) Base Goku faces down Omega Shenron’s ki blast and somehow manages to block it and survive. Bear in mind that the only one who can beat Omega Shenron is SSJ4 Gogeta, SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta were powerless against him, but now Goku is strong enough in base to hold off a highly powered ki attack from him (which may or not be the Negative Karma Ball, I’m not sure) without even using SSJ. Oh yeah, I’m just seeing the how well this whole |
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| Alex D. Boss | May 4 2013, 08:45 AM Post #2 |
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Pan against Rilldo. I didn't get it , how strong is she ? |
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May 4 2013, 02:37 PM Post #3 |
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She had a rage burst. She gets it from her father. You don't know that by now, Alex? |
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| TheACE | May 4 2013, 03:19 PM Post #4 |
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Lemmie help.
After 15 - 20 years of hard training? I think that's logical. I think it's more bothersome that General Rildo in his Super forms could treat Majin Buu like a child really, but it seems fine. What bothers me more is the fact that Goku, Trunks and Pan can vape him 4 episodes later with a Grand Tour Kamehameha and then just walk away. Triangulating an attack = Quadratic Power Boost apparently.
Goku and Trunks have been on the front lines, Vegeta, Gohan and Goten haven't. No matter how you slice it, real combat experience is going to trump any form of training hands down. That's the difference between a ROTC member and a soldier. Same thing happened with Zarbon and Vegeta. Zarbon got a little training in here and there allegedly, but Vegeta was out there kicking arse and taking names, and he ran out of names by the time he got to Namek. So I'll let that one go.
I'd say no less crazy than Gohan curbstomping Raditz or Frieza. She's got the Rage Boost. It's in the blood. Besides, she's technically the hero of the story, she's gotta get a showing.
Eh, Trunks didn't get a chance to put up much of a fight during that portion of the battle, he got sucker punched. And in turn, Eighteen Sucker Punched him. And then Seventeen brushed his sister off because he had other things to do. I don't think he intended to kill her, just get he out of the way.
Apparently after becoming a Super Saiyan Four Goku just took a level in badass in all of his forms. This also means that Baby Saga Super Saiyan Ascended Even Further Beyond Goku is weaker than his basic and Super Saiyan forms, much like Base form GT Goku was stronger than his Kid Buu Saga Super Saiyan Ascended Even Further Beyond equivalent. What really bugs me is the fact that Majuub was radically stronger than just about all the other Super Saiyans and he got curbstomped faster than Goten and Trunks, and just a little bit after Gohan. The f*ck? Are they going in reverse order of power or what?
From what I understand the Super Draqon Fist has a piercing property and it's powered by things like Courage, Tenacity, Love, Honor and all that other shounen crap that let's it do the impossible (I.E. SSAEFB Goku beating Hirudegarn when Gohan and Gotenks couldn't touch the mother lover.). And sure, he was tired and beat, but when there's nothing left to lose you just go all out. Happens in boxing matches all the time, the other guy is tired and vulnerable, you get a second wind. It's psychological and has real world application.
Again, attack properties. Rage is a defense type. Notice he couldn't actively HURT Goku or Pan, not legitimately anyway, he was just ridiculously difficult to damage. Similar to Majin Buu's body type (Otherwise how would Buu deflect the Revenge Death Ball?) he has the ability to deflect, reflect and absorb energies. Doesn't mean he's stronger, he's just suited for defense. It's like a Bradley APC. Is it a tank? No, it's just heavily armored and designed to reflect tank rounds. It wouldn't win a fight with an A1H1 Abrhams, but it would likely survive. Also, you ever seen a battery or a circuit board that got wet? He short circuited, electricity is volatile and can f*ck some serious action up son, that's how it goes down. That made a lot more sense than we give it credit for, it was just anticlimactic, which is why you're disappointed.
Block and survive? Yeah how's that Fort Minor song go? "Ten Percent Luck, Twenty Percent Skill, Fifteen Percent Concentrated Power of Will, Five Percent Pleasure, Fifty Percent Pain and A Hundred Percent Reason to Remember the Name." Or what about GT's Theme Song? "And with Love on Our Side, With Courage and Pride, I'll Fight, I will Carry On." Or even Step Into The Grand Tour? "The Righteous Can't Fail!" and "Let's Override the Powers That Seek to Destroy" and even "Heroes Struggle, to Save Earth, and Who Will Prevail?" It's an overarching theme in Dragon Ball. Courage, Tenacity, Love, Friendship, Experience, Hard Work, Team Work, Will Power, and the whole ten yards mates. That's where the real power of a hero comes from, Goku just represents that. Sure it's not consistent with his general super powers or power levels, but power levels still ultimately don't really matter, that's why we quit measuring them. Unfortunately we still put a little too much emphasis on power chains, which are sometimes plot relevant and sometimes not, but let's not forget what this series was founded on. So yeah, Goku can do that. He's cheated death, he's ascended past the levels of legends, he's been all around the universe and back and done literally everything else. So sure, why can't he stand up to the ultimate evil in the universe as the ultimate symbol of good? I say let him deflect Omega's blast and give that pale faced dragon bastard a Genki-Dama for the ages! But that's just what I think. |
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| Alex D. Boss | May 4 2013, 04:35 PM Post #5 |
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Against Rilldo? Idk , but She just kicked him when they were flying in the sky's. |
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May 4 2013, 04:37 PM Post #6 |
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She got p****. A burst of action and then it was all over. |
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| IllogicalGlory | May 4 2013, 05:30 PM Post #7 |
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The issue was the rate of the increase, it was only 5 years between Z and GT. Goku was at most Kid Buu level at the end of Z, and yet in 5 years he moves up to Buuhan? Not to mention that much of his power increase came randomly between fighting Ledgic and fighting Rildo. I don't care if it was a sucker punch, 18 shouldn't be able to do a damn thing against a Super Buu tier fighter like 17 was supposed to be at that time. That (the source of DF's power) was never actually mentioned during the series, also, I don't think the Hirudegarn example is valid here because honestly, I think Toei actually believed that Goku was the strongest, as that seems to be their default setting. Doesn't change the fact that he was in base form then and couldn't do anything as a SSJ4. It's just a really lazy and stupid Deus Ex Machina/attempt to create a shot similar to King Piccolo's death (Toei REAAAAAALLLY likes that moment a LOT). He is still powered by a city's power grid, I don't care what kind of techniques he uses, that kind of power isn't going to do anything against a ten times amped SSJ4 Kamehameha. Majin Buu was a magical abomination powered by evil, Rage Shenron is joke villain powered by a city, they aren't comparable. It was a lazy a*s deus ex machina. That's not the way it worked in DB/Z, that was obviously part of it, but the only one who could actually increase his power that way was Gohan. Anyone else actually had to have comparable power to begin with, if they wanted to win. There was no way that base Goku was anywhere remotely close to Omega Shenron. Not to mention that he was too tired to use SSJ4, but somehow holds off a crazy strong attack, it makes no sense no matter if he is the ultimate symbol of good. Omega is still probably about 100 times stronger than him. You can't write off the importance of power levels in any kind of Dragon Ball media, power levels have always been the core of battles in the DB series. Take the fight with Frieza for example, no matter how much base Goku, the ultimate symbol of good, tried he was no match for Frieza (the ultimate symbol of evil) because of the power difference. The difference between him and Omega Shenron is even bigger than that, Goku simply cannot hold off his attack. I'm sure that Toei believed in the stuff you are talking about and AT obviously gave heart an important role in his story, but heart never gave anyone a 100 times power increase (unless you're 4 year old Gohan). AT used determination and will in a way that wouldn't give us cause to yell "bullsh*t," but GT decided to use it as a Deus Ex Machina, twice. Edited by IllogicalGlory, May 4 2013, 05:33 PM.
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