TheACE

May 3 2013, 06:46 PM

InkStains_Suck

May 3 2013, 04:52 PM

Death Battles' scaling is extremely just garbage.

The only time anything goes lightspeed in GT is Trunks' spaceship. No character has ever gone lightspeed unless you bring in Instant Transmission (which is Instant). IF however you would like to bring a quote or a scene showing a character going lightspeed then please go ahead and show it.

Also going off the anime Gotenks feat is extremely inconsistent, why did it take Buuhan roughly a minute or two to get to Goku if Buuhan>>>SSJ3 Gotenks?

Ultra Hyper Sonic Speeds is the fastest id put someone in DBZ

But WHY is their scaling garbage? Everyone keeps saying it but never says WHY specifically. I just think that people don't dig Wiz and Boomstick.


And as far as a "Quote" or "Scene" you got me on that one, it's conjecture based on linear power scaling. But there isn't a quote or scene that directly contradicts it. By GT they do a lot of goofing off and don't ever really seem to do anything full force unless they're fighting Super 17, or Omega Shenron. Probably a plot thing, but I digress.

And as far as Buuhan vs Gotenks in speed... well Buuhan is just slower than Gotenks. That's it. I'm sure Chuck Lidel is probably stronger than you, but that doesn't mean you can out run the guy. Speed is relative. That's all. Vegeta admited that Gohan was "Faster" in GT (Faster than his Baby Counterpart who is presumed to be stronger than regular Gohan anyway). So yeah, Gotenks is probably just faster. Besides, if we calculate that out, even assuming that Super Buu was something like 100 miles away from them, that would put his movement speed at 12,000 mph to get the hundred miles in the 30 seconds it took for him to get there, which is BARELY above what base Goku was doing back on SNAKE WAY! So yeah, Buu's just slow as all get out, that's it.

But we're on the same page as Z topping out at Ultra Hyper Sonic.

TheACE

May 3 2013, 08:20 PM

Nope. It's just what you said, instant. By that logic Goku and Cooler are well beyond FTL during their duel using IT during The Return of Cooler. Instant Transmission isn't a form of acceleration, flight, levitation or any modality of motion, it's a transmission and/or projection is all. So yeah, you're right, they're just instant. That's all.

Havoc

May 3 2013, 08:29 PM

http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4082461.html

how fast lightning is ^

and remember popo moves faster then lightning

popogoing at least this fast
100 136.96 m / s


speed of light
299 792 458 m / s

remember this is DB with popo doing this feat

so by buu saga or eoz i dont know cause speed is not linear with PL but there going pretty damn fast

Vegeta8558

May 3 2013, 08:22 PM

TheACE

May 3 2013, 08:20 PM

Nope. It's just what you said, instant. By that logic Goku and Cooler are well beyond FTL during their duel using IT during The Return of Cooler. Instant Transmission isn't a form of acceleration, flight, levitation or any modality of motion, it's a transmission and/or projection is all. So yeah, you're right, they're just instant. That's all.

So doesn't this "instant"think makes them faster than light?for me the movies are non-cannon,whil BOG are as confirmed by Toriyama,right?

TheACE

May 3 2013, 08:41 PM

Vegeta8558

May 3 2013, 08:22 PM

TheACE

May 3 2013, 08:20 PM

Nope. It's just what you said, instant. By that logic Goku and Cooler are well beyond FTL during their duel using IT during The Return of Cooler. Instant Transmission isn't a form of acceleration, flight, levitation or any modality of motion, it's a transmission and/or projection is all. So yeah, you're right, they're just instant. That's all.

So doesn't this "instant"think makes them faster than light?for me the movies are non-cannon,whil BOG are as confirmed by Toriyama,right?

Allegedly. So far with the most objective sources I've seen it's about as canon as Yo! Son Goku And His Friends Return or Dragon Ball Online. Kinda the "T-Canon" state if we compare it to Star Wars and their style of canon (Cut and dry yes, but there's never a canon debate on a SW forum since the levels are all typed out in black and white.)

But back to the topic at hand, Instant by definition is a point and not a time or distance, so it can't actually be measured as such. Hence, Instant Transmission sits outside of standard movement and is classified as a technique and nothing more. Instant Transmission also seems to have a certain distance limit, where as speed actively doesn't, just a time constraint on motion.

They can move fast enough by GT that Instant Transmission is kinda null. But Lightspeed Plus while being confined to a single planet (since the Saiyans and their allies can't breathe in space) is more than sufficient.

DopeMan

May 3 2013, 10:40 PM

Ok just 2 I'd like to clear out:

Instant transmission - Form of teleportationm, Goku is not moving, he is teleporting.
Why the Snake Way thing is BS - What they did was they used Akira Toryama's DRAWINGS to determin how far Goku travaled. Do you really think that when Akira was drawing Snake Way that he had in mind "I'm gonna draw this, so that when people try to cauculate how fast Goku was going by cauculating the curves and the spikes, they will get the EXACT number of what distance Goku flew." Yeeeah NO. That measurment is obsolete becuse the used drawings to determine the distance Goku has traveled and the drawings warent made so that you could do that, they are just made that way to look cool.
And also Snake Way isnt all curves that follow the same pattern:




If you pay attention you will notice that snake way does not only have curves that follow the same pattern but the curves are more complicated and the pattern is always changing.
Please keep ScrewAttack and Goku vs Superman out of this debate, Thank You

Kaioken123

May 4 2013, 03:02 PM

Dbz characters can go faster than the speed of light when their fighting, especially super saiyans. They can do their fighting techniques faster than the non-saiyans. When they fly, they are going about the same as the speed of light, maybe even less; the z fighters are absolutely faster than the speed of sound .