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Goten and Trunks Ssj level?
Topic Started: Apr 28 2013, 12:44 PM (2,422 Views)
+ miguelnuva Apr 29 2013, 09:12 AM Post #46
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Saberoph
Apr 29 2013, 07:00 AM
The point I was making was, miguelnuva said he wasn't serious at all... and I was proving that he was after finding out everyone is dead.

That's the point I was making.
I knew he was serious but he got goofy right after his first assault and his mother just died. Gotenks's personality and emotions ultimately come from Goten and Trunks so if he can get passed Bulma that quickly there's no way Goten stayed serious the whole 15 days and Vegeta was in the back of Trunks mind by that point.

When Gotenks is in a fight for 5 mins and he's only serious for like the first 30 seconds I call not serious.

Also one thing against you theory of Goten and Trunks passing the adults is the fact that SSJ3 Gokhan(dance) was stated to beat Buutenks and that's only if we assume full power.

@AllStarSuperman

Everyone in the Buu saga has the MSSJ hair style, everyone has the aura and everyone is walking around in the form with no trouble at all.

Everyone is a MSSJ in the Buu saga.
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* Yu Narukami Apr 29 2013, 09:26 AM Post #47
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 SSJ Goku (Boo Saga) > SSJ Kid Gohan >~ SSJ Goten and Trunks (Post) > SSJ Vegeta (Pre-Majin) > SSJ Gohan (Budokai) > SSJ Goku (Cell Games) ~ SSJ Trunks (Pre) > SSJ Goten (Pre)
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DSB Apr 29 2013, 09:29 AM Post #48
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 ^ So u actually believe that Gohan's power did not drop to CG Goku's level in the 7 years ?
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+ miguelnuva Apr 29 2013, 09:30 AM Post #49
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 Gohan being weaker than Goku or equal is the only way PM Vegeta could really call him trash.
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* Yu Narukami Apr 29 2013, 09:32 AM Post #50
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Izanagi!

 To each their own. I don't have a very large gap between Vegeta and Gohan. You need to realise that even a 1.1x gap in the Boo Saga is a humongous advantage.
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Doctor Know Apr 29 2013, 09:32 AM Post #51
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 @miguelnuva
Well the Buu arc did see a different art style in manga. I always chocked that up to the discrepancy between older art and the art of the Buu arc. Eh i wouldn't put a lot of faith in art style as fact. The fact that MSSJ is more a fan title and not once referenced or called that by Goku who pioneered the technique is also disconcerting. I'm not stuck on this im just saying.
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+ miguelnuva Apr 29 2013, 09:37 AM Post #52
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Apr 29 2013, 09:32 AM
To each their own. I don't have a very large gap between Vegeta and Gohan. You need to realise that even a 1.1x gap in the Boo Saga is a humongous advantage.
Gaps would need to be bigger as Power levels grew is what I go with.

@AllStarSuperman

Yes it is all the same SSJ form but I just used the term MSSJ to differentiate from the unmatered state which is just SSJ even though there both the same form.

I know out of universe AT just improved his art but everyone got a new SSJ hair style in the buu saga, Vegeta and Trunks the most.

I guess SSJ hair gets spikier the more power you get.
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+ miguelnuva Apr 29 2013, 09:37 AM Post #53
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Apr 29 2013, 09:37 AM
Drew
Apr 29 2013, 09:32 AM
To each their own. I don't have a very large gap between Vegeta and Gohan. You need to realise that even a 1.1x gap in the Boo Saga is a humongous advantage.
Gaps would need to be bigger as Power levels grew is what I go with. .


@AllStarSuperman

Yes it is all the same SSJ form but I just used the term MSSJ to differentiate from the unmatered state which is just SSJ even though there both the same form.

I know out of universe AT just improved his art but everyone got a new SSJ hair style in the buu saga, Vegeta and Trunks the most.

I guess SSJ hair gets spikier the more power you get. But the aura and eyes did change
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DSB Apr 29 2013, 09:38 AM Post #54
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miguelnuva
Apr 29 2013, 09:30 AM
Gohan being weaker than Goku or equal is the only way PM Vegeta could really call him trash.
I remember Vegeta saying that Gohan was "far far better" as a kid

So its obvious that gohan did lose a decent amount of power
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+ miguelnuva Apr 29 2013, 09:40 AM Post #55
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 Gohan most have lost a lot of power if Goku agreed with vegeta calling him trash. Goku gives everyone the benefit of the doubt.

Goku if thought a Rage boost Gohan could take out him and Majin Vegeta.
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+ Majin Vegeta Apr 29 2013, 12:03 PM Post #56
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Apr 29 2013, 09:40 AM
Gohan most have lost a lot of power if Goku agreed with vegeta calling him trash. Goku gives everyone the benefit of the doubt.

Goku if thought a Rage boost Gohan could take out him and Majin Vegeta.
Not sure if he would take them out just like Vegeta said he completly loose even his fighting spirit so not even enraged Gohan would beat them
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Saberoph Apr 29 2013, 04:05 PM Post #57
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 @DSB. I was just being Mr. Technical and proving a single point... that's it.

@Vertical. I know Gohan will be ahead of Goten, I just disagree with how far ahead you have Gohan to Post-Budokai Goten, does Goten think Gohan is amazing? Sure he does. that's his brother, Gohan has more skill, he's been serious and brutal Training, and can prevent someone who's slightly weaker or equal to without skill from landing any hits. For me, I have Goten a little under Gohan, to where in a beam struggle it wouldn't be easy to see who's stronger, but if it came to hand to hand... even with Gohan being as sloppy as he was, he could beat Goten, even though I do take into account Goten's lack of fighting experience.

@miguelnuva. Remember I said just barely stronger, Goten and Trunks are inexperienced and doesn't have the fighting instincts Kakarrot and Vegeta or even Gohan does. And if it came to a fight, Kakarrot and Vegeta would defeat their kids for several reasons. So, I can still hold the Fusion statement as true... because I have the gap so small.
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+ Emmeth Apr 29 2013, 04:07 PM Post #58
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 Goten and Trunks SSJ are a bit above Android 16 imo.
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Vertical Apr 29 2013, 09:29 PM Post #59
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Apr 29 2013, 04:05 PM
@Vertical. I know Gohan will be ahead of Goten, I just disagree with how far ahead you have Gohan to Post-Budokai Goten, does Goten think Gohan is amazing? Sure he does. that's his brother, Gohan has more skill, he's been serious and brutal Training, and can prevent someone who's slightly weaker or equal to without skill from landing any hits. For me, I have Goten a little under Gohan, to where in a beam struggle it wouldn't be easy to see who's stronger, but if it came to hand to hand... even with Gohan being as sloppy as he was, he could beat Goten, even though I do take into account Goten's lack of fighting experience.
I guess we will simply continue to have different views of the same painting then. Though I do wonder how you deal with [Hypothetical] Gogeta's placement (above/around Buutenks).
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Saberoph Apr 29 2013, 09:40 PM Post #60
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 I have this Basr Gotenks=>Base Gogets (No rival boast).

It's the same with Kakarrot and Vegeta, so close that Gogeta would win due to his great skill and great fighting instincts... where Gotenks has little to no fighting instincts, I do believe he has skill and that he's unpredictable, which is good imo. But, I don't see the kids being loads more powerful, which means Gotenks wouldn't be more powerful then Gogeta.

Now, if you believe Gogeta get's a rival boast... then Gotenks doesn't stand a chance.

My placement use to be with a huge gap between the kids and adults, but I realized that it was silly to have such a gap. This little to no gap works imo.

Also, Kakarrot was confident that him and Gohan would win, and he would win, even though Gohan would have to lower his power to do it.

Scenario 1: Gohkan is Ultimate, which means he still feeds off Gohan's Potential with Kakarrot's on top of it, which would give them a victory.

Scenario 2: They fuse and Gohkan goes SS3, which combined with Gohan would still be enough to get the job done.

This is only my opinion, but I still see it working and making sense.
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