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| Alex D. Boss | Apr 28 2013, 07:48 PM Post #16 |
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Now that I'm watching the show. ( Yes Guys ! I'm watching GT ! ) , I find Pan sometimes annoying. Hold up sometimes? Always! But she has the personality of Videl , so can't hate her. She is Goku's granddaughter afterall. |
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| TheACE | Apr 28 2013, 07:51 PM Post #17 |
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oh yeah she's annoying, no doubt. But she is a nine year old girl, and does have a lot of Videl/Chi-Chi in her so it's forgivable. And I'd say she's no less annoying than Goten and Trunks during the Buu arc. But we all know how I feel about Majin Buu and his Saga. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Apr 28 2013, 08:51 PM Post #18 |
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I think the whole trio was a mistake. What gets me is where the frag did they come up with Pan, Trunks and Goku? A better match-up would've been Pan, Bra and Oob. Perhaps throw Goten and Trunks in there, or come up with a new character. What if Trunks had a kid named Sock or something? |
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| TheACE | Apr 28 2013, 08:53 PM Post #19 |
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That I guess I can see. Uub and the gang pick up the slack and leave Goku and Vegeta behind to be OG mentors. I can dig that, it makes it more interesting because they would actually have to live and learn and wouldn't have cosmic safety nets. Then Gotenks is a bit more reasonable BECAUSE then he's a desperation move/trump card. That I like. |
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| Billa | Apr 28 2013, 08:55 PM Post #20 |
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Thala na Gethu!
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Biggest mistake of GT: Handing over the show to a useless director, Kasai Osamu. The source of everything. |
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Apr 28 2013, 08:57 PM Post #21 |
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Who could of directed it better? To be closer to the Z style?
Edited by Professor Gohan, Apr 28 2013, 08:58 PM.
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| bardock1990 | Apr 28 2013, 08:59 PM Post #22 |
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You seem to have a whole plan worked out for the saga, I did not. I merely focused on one aspect which is how much Pan sucks. GT has a lot more problems than just this one character, but if I rolled with the central theme of the story then yes, it would be very easy to have Goten/Trunks/Goku go to space without having it look like an easy squash job with no threats. Baby and General Rildo are very formidable foes that would make great fights against the big 3, but they could add atleast one more villain from another planet on that level. Add a bunch of dangerous one-trick phony henchmen and you got enough potential. And the great thing there is that you don't have an extremely annoying, foolish, insubordinate 9 year old disrespecting her elders(family members at that) about every line she gets, with an added "GEEROOOO GEROO" scream from both her and the robot, and with absolutely zero character development from start to finish(hell, I would hate Pan a bit less if they atleast turned her into a decent kid after some time but nope). And aside from the fighting it would be great to see how strong Trunks and Goten's friendship is by then. Since Goten is in space you'd see more of him than just going after girls. And adult Goku(imo 2nd most important fix in GT after the removal of frying pan) would still shine as a calm and collected legend/master of fighting. PS: I always believed Pan's lack of transformations was due to Gohan's mystic 'genes' that were passed on to her. And I don't want to see her blonde, she is dumb enough already as she is! |
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| bardock1990 | Apr 28 2013, 09:03 PM Post #23 |
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She does not have the personality of Videl, not even when Videl had pigtails and stalking Gohan. And Videl turned into the nicest female in the series since blue haired Launch. It's mind boggling how such nice people got a kid like Pan. |
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| Billa | Apr 28 2013, 09:06 PM Post #24 |
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Nishio Daisuki. By far the best among the bunch. This fella's been involved with the franchise ever since 1986. (DB&DBZ) He was even part of Toriyama's Dr.Slump. An experienced director would've certainly capitalized on the series strengths based on its prequels. Kasai Osamu was random animator-turned-director. What's more, he wasn't even Key-animator & most episodes of his were either drawn poorly or dragged. Animators dont usually get promoted to Directors, but Japan's system goes by Seniority, which means the longer u serve, the higher u rank. Evidently, thats the case with GT. The director. |
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| TheACE | Apr 28 2013, 09:17 PM Post #25 |
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Oh Round 3. Ok, my move! I play the Spell Card Credibility! It's a continous Spell that forces the plot to actually indicate threat for suspsnese. I'll grant you that the Baby and Rildo defense is a strong one, but a simple Triangle Attack and Grand Tour Kamehameha counquer the two of them rather quickly with our current main 3, and adding Goten to the mix would have done the same if not superiror. I also summon realism, in defense mode. It's defense points are superior to your portayal attack! Granted, Pan is bratty and a little disrespectful. But they're a goofy tight nit family the Sons and Briefs, 4 decades of mutual and unconditional love. Pan is a little spoiled, but no more than Bulla, and she contributes. Again, episodes like Pan's Gambit and The Six-Star Dragon all prove that her brattiness is a front to make her LOOK tougher and threatening. After all, when your Grandpa is Goku and Adoptive "Cousin" is Trunks, it's hard to look badass by comparrison. I mean would you be able to keep up with Alex Caceres and Jackie Chan if you guys enetered a tournement or went on a scouting trip as a family? Doubt it. Same deal with Pan. She did well I think. I'd check out her key episodes again. Not really a huge Pan fan and think her character was wasted quite a bit, but given the circumastances I think she got a lot more development than she's given credit for. And as for the Adult Goku thing. Eh. I don't take issue with it, but then why else would they go to space? Or alternately what would they do in the meantime, wait for Baby and Myuu to show up on their doorstep and train for 20 episodes? I couldn't sit through that. Sure they'd be prepared, but again it's way too easy a victory and the pay off just doesn't feel worth it. Lolz, yeah Goten and Trunks don't get enough together time. But at the same time it's nice to know that they can function without being attached at the hip. And yeah, Goten wants to go out and meet girls like a regular 21 year old kid, but at the same time it's nice to see that he grew a personality. I mean what the hell would Z Goten do with his own show? Cancelled faster than a non-animated Fox Sitcom. Same deal with Trunks. He's an engineer, a corporate leader, etc. as well as still a talented and powerful fighter. I just wish HE could have gotten a bit more screentime to develop what HE actually wanted to do, despite just being thrown into space. And the mystic thing is an interesting theory, never thought about it like that I guess, but c'mon, 3 Generations of Super Saiyans fighting as one? That's rule of cool at it's greatest. |
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| Billa | Apr 28 2013, 09:19 PM Post #26 |
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The treatment of Pan's character made her annoying. Try watchin Jap Version Pan haters. You'll be in for suprise as how much "kawaii" Pan-chan is. As bad as the Dubbed conterpart may irritate you, Pan-chan's Jap counterpart charms. |
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| * Crashbreaka | Apr 28 2013, 09:21 PM Post #27 |
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To be honest I think most people on this forum coulda done it better. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Apr 28 2013, 09:25 PM Post #28 |
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Yes. That is exactly my point. In order to make a sequel series that is successful, you'd have to start from scratch. Pretty much everything that could be done with a series was done in Dragon Ball (z). With a new set of main characters, these characters would need to depend on themselves, just like Dragon Ball which was prior to anyone having "cosmic safety nets" as you described. Also with this newer set of characters, comes the potential for new adventures and a newer brand of enemies. The thing that GT failed to translate, is that Dragon Ball is first and foremost, an adventure series. |
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