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Apr 16 2013, 11:18 PM Post #1 |
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I was thinking the other day In Movie 8 or Kid buu or janemba they stated that they can destroy the universe (not one shot of course) but stated It makes me wonder how would Broly destroy the entire universe in his Life time ? I do Have at galaxy Busting Level in Movie 10 LSSJ (my opinion of course) but i still don't See how that is enough to destroy a universe which has hundreds of billions of galaxies even in his life time It tooks Kid buu Millions of Years to destroy a galaxy or something like that and Going by anime it would take him 1 hour to destroy a solar system using IT which is instant I don't know if Janemba or Kid buu age or not but Broly does. I know saiyans live longer but Goku was shown died at End of GT movie The reason why i am doing this is to put DBZ on the map Edited by Ryder, Apr 16 2013, 11:24 PM.
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| TheACE | Apr 17 2013, 01:30 AM Post #2 |
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I doubt that anyone's nearly that cosmic until GT. Kid Buu, if anyone, actually HAS the destructive force to demolish anything bigger than a solar system in one shot (Presuming Cell's "Solar Kamehameha" was really Solar). That being said, Broly's destruction seemed to be spred out across his lifetime too. Maybe it's because he didn't stop and fight everything along the way. If we're talking universal threat, then by definition it'd be Frieza by default. He technically was unrivaled except by his family for a very long time, and literally owned the universe apparently. So anyone Frieza and Beyond technically has that universal "Threat" level, but I don't think any Z, GT or DBO fighter could atomize the universe. |
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Apr 17 2013, 01:45 AM Post #3 |
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Broly didn't do it in his life time (as King kai stated that RSSJ broly destroyed it not anyone else) plus he was doing it as such a pace that King kai galaxy would be destroyed and it wouldn't make sense since broly is not 1000s of years old and you see dots of the galaxy or chunks of the galaxy disappearing in one go But that is not the point. they said broly can destroy the universe at LSSJ but he can age and dies and for him to destroy the universe we are talking millions of years even if he galaxy bust. I don't know if Freeza and Age and such Wouldn't Take mean that Janemba, Buuhan, broly, Kid buu are more then galaxy busters ? |
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| TheACE | Apr 17 2013, 02:03 AM Post #4 |
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If left unchecked. Here's the thing. This image is kinda time lapsed. It's not apparent in that initial clip, but there isn't a real explosion, it just vanishes. It's not like any other busting attack we've seen. For example, Vegeta in filler and Frieza during his attack on the Planet Vegeta both resulted in an earth shattering explosion. Even Broly's later casual planet busting attack atomized the planet with an apparenty burst of energy. That being said, logically, we should have seen an aura. And during Broly's battle with the other Super Saiyans, we do get a brief look at his history and the various rampages he went on across various worlds in the South Galaxy. Again, taking out a galaxy in about 27 years, is pretty damn respectable. That took some quick travel and quick destruction. But either way there's never been any attack that actively threatened something that big. Not yet. I'd say the biggest universal threat in Dragon Ball was Omega Shenron himself, who could warp an unspecified distance with negative karma on its own. Super 17 is probably a close second, given that he was able to stand up to a Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Post Baby Zenkai of course) and beat him back down (With the Super Dragon Fist being a blatant outlier in the fight). I'd say he could absorb a galaxy's worth of energy and throw it right back out. But that's as close as we get as far as I can tell. |
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Apr 17 2013, 02:15 AM Post #5 |
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f left unchecked. Here's the thing. This image is kinda time lapsed. It's not apparent in that initial clip, but there isn't a real explosion, it just vanishes. It's not like any other busting attack we've seen. For example, Vegeta in filler and Frieza during his attack on the Planet Vegeta both resulted in an earth shattering explosion. Even Broly's later casual planet busting attack atomized the planet with an apparenty burst of energy. That being said, logically, we should have seen an aura. - Nicely said, So beautiful the way you put your words together And during Broly's battle with the other Super Saiyans, we do get a brief look at his history and the various rampages he went on across various worlds in the South Galaxy. Again, taking out a galaxy in about 27 years, is pretty damn respectable. That took some quick travel and quick destruction. But either way there's never been any attack that actively threatened something that big. Not yet. - But King kai Sensed RSSJ broly destroying the south galaxy (meaning that he didn't do it form a kid) and not his younger self and he was doing it at such a quick pace he fought his north galaxy was going to be destroyed (as he said at this rate even my galaxy would be destroyed). If it took 27 years to destroy a galaxy you would figure king kai wouldn't be worrying about his galaxy being destroy straight away. And even at 27 years destroy planet by planet he would be lucky to see any difference. I'd say the biggest universal threat in Dragon Ball was Omega Shenron himself, who could warp an unspecified distance with negative karma on its own. Super 17 is probably a close second, given that he was able to stand up to a Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Post Baby Zenkai of course) and beat him back down (With the Super Dragon Fist being a blatant outlier in the fight). I'd say he could absorb a galaxy's worth of energy and throw it right back out. But that's as close as we get as far as I can tell. - I am not talking about GT, There feats are terrible like Goku being surprise that Syn shenron can destroy a city with 1 blast when that is something nappa done in saiyan saga not to mention Baby who is Leagues super vegito cant even destroy a planet when vegeta at saiyan saga can destroy it - In Anime Buuhan can destroy the universe and so can vegito and also Vegito has Universal Durability. GT kills itself TBH and shouldn't be mentioned. I am talking about DBZ characters and there capabilities Edited by Ryder, Apr 17 2013, 02:16 AM.
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| TheACE | Apr 17 2013, 02:56 AM Post #6 |
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Well thank you.
I can see the logic, but a galaxy vanishing in a few decades is a lot of destruction.Allegedly we may have over 100 billion planets/star systems in the milky way galaxy. Presuming the South Galaxy is about the same size as the North one, that's a lot of planets. Now if a year is still 365 days and each solar system averages about 9 planets, over the approximately 10,000 days that Broly's been around, he'd be atomizing over 1000 stars a day! That's threatening as all hell!
Actually, Baby allegedly wan't that strong. That's why he took over the Super Saiyan's bodies. Well, that and irony, but he's a parasite, not a front line fighter. So that makes sense. Omega is kind of an outlier, but given that the other Shadow Dragon feats entail reality warping just with NEGATIVE ENERGY. Super 17 had a pretty good showing, given that he can precisely fire blasts at Goku from LITERALLY half way around the world. (After a Super Saiyan Goku gave him a punch that sent him over that way). Ki's focused. All master martial artists can control their strength, otherwise anything they'd do should destroy something. By the same logic, the Earth shouldn't have been able to stand up to Trunks cutting through the guy that tanked a planetary explosion. (I.E. Future Trunks could probably lop the Earth in half since he did the same thing to Frieza, who is as durable as a planet, but had no reason to.)
Theoretically. Again, it wasn't stated WHICH way he could blow up the universe. And given that Buu is a living weapon designed for that, I kinda feel like he just should have blown the whole thing up. And also, without Atmosphere Vegetto wouldn't last long either way, so Universe Busting is irrelevant when you have to live in the universe. And given that the characters in GT are literally the same guys from Z, with the exact same powers and move sets just at an amplified level, that's just... well there's that. So it really doesn't kill itself, it just doesn't suffer from absurdly long story arcs with needless plot lengthening twists. I think the fact that it doesn't take the GT fighters 3 seasons to kill the same guy just shows that they CAN take care of business rather quickly and effectively. So there's that |
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| Reldar | Apr 17 2013, 02:58 AM Post #7 |
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I have to agree with TheACE on Broly destroying the galaxy over his lifetime. The video must be a time lapse, for the simple reason that galaxies do not rotate that fast! (However, even to rotate that much over 27 years still fails to make sense...) Edited by Reldar, Apr 17 2013, 02:59 AM.
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Apr 17 2013, 04:02 AM Post #8 |
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So there's that[/quote]Well thank you. - I am serious you write things into perfection I can see the logic, but a galaxy vanishing in a few decades is a lot of destruction.Allegedly we may have over 100 billion planets/star systems in the milky way galaxy. Presuming the South Galaxy is about the same size as the North one, that's a lot of planets. Now if a year is still 365 days and each solar system averages about 9 planets, over the approximately 10,000 days that Broly's been around, he'd be atomizing over 1000 stars a day! That's threatening as all hell! - threatening as hell but still not enough to destroy a galaxy in his lifetime, But Broly didn't do it in a lifetime as King kai sensed RSSj do it (as he said a SSj destroyed the south galaxy) and also what wouldn't make sense it the fact paragus put the device on broly to stop him form destroying - Form broly to destroy a galaxy in his lifetime he would need to destroy much more then a 1000 stars a day Actually, Baby allegedly wan't that strong. That's why he took over the Super Saiyan's bodies. Well, that and irony, but he's a parasite, not a front line fighter. So that makes sense. Omega is kind of an outlier, but given that the other Shadow Dragon feats entail reality warping just with NEGATIVE ENERGY. Super 17 had a pretty good showing, given that he can precisely fire blasts at Goku from LITERALLY half way around the world. (After a Super Saiyan Goku gave him a punch that sent him over that way). - Great ape baby is League ahead of SSj vegito (the power scaling is like this) SSJ4 goku=Great ape baby>>>Super baby 2>>Majuub>Super baby 1>baby Vegeta>Super vegito - Vegito would drop a poop on a planet and crush it, Baby Not being able to destroy a planet is embarrassing to DBZ logic Ki's focused. All master martial artists can control their strength, otherwise anything they'd do should destroy something. By the same logic, the Earth shouldn't have been able to stand up to Trunks cutting through the guy that tanked a planetary explosion. (I.E. Future Trunks could probably lop the Earth in half since he did the same thing to Frieza, who is as durable as a planet, but had no reason to.) - Goku punching throw Kai planet is more impressive since it has 10x gravity and strong enough to hold Bojack. Theoretically. Again, it wasn't stated WHICH way he could blow up the universe. And given that Buu is a living weapon designed for that, I kinda feel like he just should have blown the whole thing up. And also, without Atmosphere Vegetto wouldn't last long either way, so Universe Busting is irrelevant when you have to live in the universe. - It was stated that Buuhan power was causing dimension to alter or something and was going to destroy the whole universe form it and Then Vegito ask him to use that on him after knocking him down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJg5lcTBfVc And given that the characters in GT are literally the same guys from Z, with the exact same powers and move sets just at an amplified level, that's just... well there's that. So it really doesn't kill itself, it just doesn't suffer from absurdly long story arcs with needless plot lengthening twists. I think the fact that it doesn't take the GT fighters 3 seasons to kill the same guy just shows that they CAN take care of business rather quickly and effectively. - GT is a straight out fail in terms of feats - But I am trying to figure out how would Broly destroy the entire universe in his life times http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/323188-broly_universe_super.jpg Edited by Ryder, Apr 17 2013, 04:09 AM.
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| TheACE | Apr 17 2013, 04:29 AM Post #9 |
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Regarding the galaxy thing, again, we're presuming 10 billion star systems. Maybe it's bigger, maybe it's smaller. Again, if we're averaging about 9 planets per star, and taking out 1000 star systems or so a day, that actually is (sighs) OVER 9000! Star systems per day. If he's chucking those orbs at long range like he did in the movie. Perfectly reasonable. Also explains why the stars went out in little chunks and in a rather random pattern. And, I'm talking Teen Baby, not Golden Baby. Although it was made clear that he could atomize Earth too, hence why Goku actually saw it as a threat and bothered tanking each blast. In fact I'm sure with the range that Goku had on his Ten Times Kamehameha, Baby probably could have done in the solar system by blowing the hell out of the sun. I don't remember Goku actively punching King Kai or Supreme Kai's planets in half. I know he's done some damage to them, but at that point in the series a little bit of collateral damage is the norm. And as far as Bojack goes, the Kais did use their magic to seal him. Kinda like Buu got sealed in that large purple egg. So magic kinda screws with the normal power level system. I saw the Buuhan power thing. I think he was just screwing with space time. Earlier Gotenks and Super Buu were punching holes in the reality spectrum as well. But literally on no merit other than plot and Akira writing himself into a corner, Super Golden Baby Vegeta has to be stronger than Vegito too. And by that extension, everyone in GT is pretty cosmic then. But, that would have been a progressive move either way and doesn't seem to extend any further than Earth, so it's still all theoretical and fear based. And as far as feats go in GT. Well plot does still kinda trump feats, and the power chains remain. Besides, what the hell were they supposed to do? Start blowing up planets they were still on? Atomize stars after accidently missing a ki blast? You just can't do that, it just can't be done. Otherwise by that same logic, the Cell Saga should have had a completely atomized solar system. And don't get me started on how messed up the Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight should have been during the Buu Saga. It just has to come down to them mastering their power in such a way that direct destructive force is detrimental, so manipulating ki in a different was was just necessary just so they wouldn't destroy the galaxy they were in while trying to save their planet. So yeah. GT, trying to save the Earth, not destroy it. It'd be the equivelnt of you trying to fight a robber in your den with an Abrhams Tank. You don't fire the main gun, you use the chain gun. Just as effective. |
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| + miguelnuva | Apr 17 2013, 04:37 AM Post #10 |
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Bills can destroy the universe, anyone else has to do it by chain reaction. Also I don't know what Broly destroyed at the start but the movie takes place in the South galaxy so he didn't destroy it. King Kiai statement is more like the path Broly is moving North galaxy would be next, not that Broly was destroying the whole galaxy. |
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Apr 17 2013, 04:54 AM Post #11 |
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Regarding the galaxy thing, again, we're presuming 10 billion star systems. Maybe it's bigger, maybe it's smaller. Again, if we're averaging about 9 planets per star, and taking out 1000 star systems or so a day, that actually is (sighs) OVER 9000! Star systems per day. If he's chucking those orbs at long range like he did in the movie. Perfectly reasonable. Also explains why the stars went out in little chunks and in a rather random pattern. - There are 200 Billions star systems in a galaxy (looking on google), So a chunk would be much more then 1000 maybe 100 000 maybe even close to Million or even hundreds of millions, I wouldn't make sense for him to do it in his life time if King kai sensed RSSJ do it. Plus it would kind of stupid for Broly to go around Destroying planets in his life times to step it up for Vegeta (i really dont think the creators had that in mind and Paragus wanted the destruction to stop not continue) and wouldn't make sense either if King kai thinks he galaxy would be destroyed quickly form it if he took years to do it otherwise he wouldn't noticing him destroying the galaxy in the first place. Id say Broly is a Semi galaxy at RSSJ (enough to tear them apart at a quick pace) and a Galaxy buster at LSSJ Movie 10. Otherwise it wouldnt make sense for Piccolo and Paragus to think Broly can destroy the universe if his only a planet or solar system or a 1000 star buster not to mention his lifetime. universe has 75 hundreds of billions of galaxy. Even galaxy busting wouldn't be enough to destroy it all And, I'm talking Teen Baby, not Golden Baby. Although it was made clear that he could atomize Earth too, hence why Goku actually saw it as a threat and bothered tanking each blast. In fact I'm sure with the range that Goku had on his Ten Times Kamehameha, Baby probably could have done in the solar system by blowing the hell out of the sun. - To be honest a single Ki blast with no effort at all should wreck the entire Mutliple solar systems if SPC (a low SSj2)can destroy it. let alone a super galick gun to a planet, I don't remember Goku actively punching King Kai or Supreme Kai's planets in half. I know he's done some damage to them, but at that point in the series a little bit of collateral damage is the norm. And as far as Bojack goes, the Kais did use their magic to seal him. Kinda like Buu got sealed in that large purple egg. So magic kinda screws with the normal power level system. - This is in Battle of gods where he fought bills on kai planet, Kai planet is strong enough to hold Bojack in and Goku punched a hole right throw it with the wind of his punch. Not to mention it has 10x normal gravity I saw the Buuhan power thing. I think he was just screwing with space time. Earlier Gotenks and Super Buu were punching holes in the reality spectrum as well. But literally on no merit other than plot and Akira writing himself into a corner, Super Golden Baby Vegeta has to be stronger than Vegito too. And by that extension, everyone in GT is pretty cosmic then. But, that would have been a progressive move either way and doesn't seem to extend any further than Earth, so it's still all theoretical and fear based. - I just to whole thing, it is not a techniques that allows buu to mess with space and times. It was Buu going mention and causing dimensions to crash into each other form his Power, Both dende and Vegito Stated it not to mention vegito after offered Buu to use the power he display on him. - MEH Cell saga should of been Mutli Solar systems busters even more to tell you truth (At SSJ) if Vegeta can destroy a planet at a power level of 18000 then Goku at MSSJ should spit on a planet and destroy it. AT Nerf the holy hell out of it so bad. Not to mention Goku at nameke had a power leve of 150 millions. That alone is Mutli solar system busting And as far as feats go in GT. Well plot does still kinda trump feats, and the power chains remain. Besides, what the hell were they supposed to do? Start blowing up planets they were still on? Atomize stars after accidently missing a ki blast? You just can't do that, it just can't be done. Otherwise by that same logic, the Cell Saga should have had a completely atomized solar system. And don't get me started on how messed up the Goku vs Majin Vegeta fight should have been during the Buu Saga. It just has to come down to them mastering their power in such a way that direct destructive force is detrimental, so manipulating ki in a different was was just necessary just so they wouldn't destroy the galaxy they were in while trying to save their planet. So yeah. GT, trying to save the Earth, not destroy it. It'd be the equivelnt of you trying to fight a robber in your den with an Abrhams Tank. You don't fire the main gun, you use the chain gun. Just as effective. - MEh they screwed DBZ, The only DBZ characters that has the best Feat are broly, Vegito and Buuhan and janemba. There rest are POOP |
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