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| genkidamaoozaru | Apr 4 2013, 11:32 PM Post #1 |
 
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I just want to know your knowledge and opinions on power levels; they are a confusing subject for most fans. I will share mine as well.
Edited by genkidamaoozaru, Apr 5 2013, 01:50 AM.
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| TheACE | Apr 4 2013, 11:48 PM Post #2 |
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This is an interesting one, where to start? Power levels were initially introduced as a way for the other warriors to underestimate our heroes, and to prove that true strength isn't quantifiable by mere numbers alone. Personally I think they served their purpose in the series and that keeping them around longer in the expanded universe and in the fan base really defeats the purpose and the symbolism of the series. Specifically the message that says "The truest strength isn't measured by the size of your Ki but by the strength of your heart." Granted they ignore that a touch, especially with the villains, but if do recall reading a portion of the Daizenshuu or maybe it was an initial scan of the new Chozenshu (Can't remember which, will research and get back to you) that says Power levels are a combination of things. A combination of Ki, physical strength, speed and endurance, among other things. And Ki within of itself is dependent on the user's physical status, mental status and spirit (especially certain traits like courage, love and pride). Hence the rapid changes in our Hero's power levels when necessary and why they can get so much stronger that much faster. So yeah, that's where I'm at. |
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| genkidamaoozaru | Apr 4 2013, 11:50 PM Post #3 |
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Some people are confused about the topic of (not everyone) --power levels. The power levels only existed because scouters did, and the concept was done with once the Frieza (Freezer) Saga had ended. To understand power levels, you must understand the basic function of a scouter. Now, in Dragonball Z, a scouter is basically a device used to track living things or [later] Dragon Balls and size up an opponent. To size up an opponent, the machine basically detects the strength of the fighter's ki. In Dragonball Z, ki is the basis for all fighting. You can't fly without ki, fire energy blasts, do techniques-you can't even throw a decent punch without using your ki to amplify it's power. You can't even detect other people's ki without using your own to sense it: Frieza's henchmen focused on more or less brute strength and used ki for the most basic purposes-flying and energy beams. Goku and the Z Fighters were so strong because they focused on strengthing their ki reserves instead of their strength as a whole: that is why Goku's power level is so high. Goku has a big amount of ki because of the potential of the Saiyajin (saiyan) race he hailed from. He also has two technques that allowed him a shortcut to strength; the Kaioken, a ki amplifying technique that amps up the user's ki to as much as the body can stand, and the Spirit Bomb, which uses the ki of everything around it, range spanning from as far away as the user can focus their ki to sense others. Now before I continue you need to understand something: SCOUTERS ARE NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE. They only tell you the strength of the user's ki in a form of numbers, and that's why sensing ki is a more efficient way to size up an opponent. Power levels also do not show the overall ability of a fighter and that is why they can sometimes be very inaccurate. Ki is a big part of Dragonball Z, but it isn't the only part. After Super Saiyan Goku beat Frieza, the only people who continued to use scouters were King Cold's men and himself and movie villains. The concept had served it's purpose after that. What Vegeta had once said is entirely true "... you can't express our strength in numbers!" There is no way to tell a fighter's power because the game could change like it usually does (a transformation to heighten a user's abilities, most notably the size and strength of their ki usually, like Super Saiyan) and Akira Toriyama is said to have miscalculated Frieza's power level and the series' power levels were off after that. The best thing you could do is sense someone's ki with your own and compare them. At the end of the Frieza Saga though it is estimated Goku's power level was 15,000,000 and Frieza's was 12,000,000. And remember you could hold your own against a stronger opponent in Dbz--it's happened many times! Power levels also symbolized how the villains underestimated their opponents. The purpose was to show that assumptions don't decide the battle and a lot of things can happen. Gohan, Vegeta, and Krillin vs Frieza is a perfect example. Their power levels were almost englufed by Frieza's massive strength (of course most Z Fighters outclass him now; depending on whether or not he grew stronger in H***), and they managed to reach new heights throughout their strife because or their resolve to protect each other (Vegeta may prove otherwise though). Goku was strong not only because of his ki, but his desire to protect those around him. It can be said his friends gave him strength as well as Goku tended to rely on others whether or not the circumstance. His friends and the beings on Earth helped him through it all (In fact, his Spirit Bomb technique relies completely on other's energy, and his constant use of it can be argued as a symbol of this idea) His power attains new heights because of his drive to protect his friends and the innocent, and similar drives are inside a lot of the Z Fighters, and that is why their power can grow really fast. Bottom line-power levels can be argued as a fact that strength comes from your spirit and not only your strength. And they disappeared after Future Trunks defeated King Cold and Meta Freeza., having served their purpose. Any power level before then can be logically determined, but after it is just a mystery (well I'm sure people have figured them out but power levels become insignificant after that point) ... Edited by genkidamaoozaru, Apr 5 2013, 03:06 AM.
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| genkidamaoozaru | Apr 5 2013, 12:01 AM Post #4 |
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(read above post)
Edited by genkidamaoozaru, Apr 5 2013, 03:10 AM.
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| genkidamaoozaru | Apr 5 2013, 12:44 AM Post #5 |
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(read post 2 ones above; just learned how to make posts longer so no need to post more than once now)
Edited by genkidamaoozaru, Apr 5 2013, 03:11 AM.
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| TheACE | Apr 5 2013, 02:35 AM Post #6 |
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Genki, why did you do this? First thing's first. NEVER DOUBLE POST. Triple posting is also unacceptable. I see edits in your posts so this you know how to use it, do so. Before the mods eviscerate you  I get the Ki usage thing, explains why the Ginyu Force is approximately the same powerlevel as one another but fight differently (EG, Burter used ki for speed, Recoome for strength and Jeice for damage/poss. elemental projection) That being said, Goku's maximum power as a Super Saiyan by Namek is actually recorded at 150,000,000 according to the Daizenshuu section "Evolution of Goku's Power Level" seen here. The same section quotes Frieza's at 120,000,000. The translation you have is an old one. Also who are you setting straight? No one else has replied to this. I think a few fans take power levels too seriously, but eventually I think everyone's figured out that they're not horribly important. Even though power levels Can Still Be Measured after Frieza, there's not much of a point. So yeah there's that. That being said, that's a very nicely detailed explanation of the power level concept and how it relates to the story telling of the Dragon Ball Saga. So, good job I suppose. |
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| genkidamaoozaru | Apr 5 2013, 03:01 AM Post #7 |
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 Woah that's pretty high lol! Yeah I probably didn't need to triple post heh heh. Sorry I'm a newb, but I thank you for the clarification. I said Let me set things straight 'cause I was mainly referring to guests. I'll take it out though since I'm coming off the wrong way. A lot of my friends who are Dbz fans DO NOT GET POWER LEVELS AT ALL. In fact, some of them didn't think power levels had anything to do with ki :/ I think I clarified for them, but made this topic to explain my thoughts to everyone else, and anyone who stumbles upon this. So yeah :l Nevertheless, power levels are pretty confusing. I mean 150,000,000? Holy crap! I can't imagine Goku's power level at SSJ3, and good thing I don't have to. It would make my head spin o: Oh can one post be infinite length 'cause I don't wanna get rid of the other two because it's a continued version of my first one. (entered my first 3 posts on my phone) Wait actually just figured out you can + and - max post length that's good to know I don't think I can delete the posts :\ Edited by genkidamaoozaru, Apr 5 2013, 03:08 AM.
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