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GT Subs.
Topic Started: Apr 4 2013, 05:35 AM (717 Views)
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This was done before about 2 years ago, and I'm pretty sure the Mods wouldn't want me to do a bump from that far back, I figured I'd do this again.

This is my introduction to me posting the GT subs, I will be going Episode by Episode starting from the Black Star Dragon Ball Arc, and going to the end of the Evil Shenlong Arc. Since I can no longer find my notes, I have to start from scratch, so it might be a few days before I start posting.

This Thread is also here to help clear up a lot of the confusion GT presents, but remember this isn't an opinion based thing, this will be coming strait from the Japanese Script, which more or less the Manga for GT. So, I wont be twisting anything I find into what my opinion is, or I wont be leaving anything out because I either don't agree with it, or because I think it's stupid.

Also, the closest thing to opinion based I will be doing is making logical deductions when necessary, also this thread isn't for bashing any inconsistencies GT has, or how insanely overpowered everyone is either.
Edited by Saberoph, Apr 17 2013, 07:31 PM.
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I'm bumping this because this NEEDs to be read. Bout damn time Saber! Looking forward to your reviews.
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Lol, thanks. I wanted to get started the day after I posted this, but looks like I wont be getting started until tomorrow, but then I can take out a decent chunk in one day, since each Episode is about 20 minutes long, and there's only s60...so, this shouldn't take too long.
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Excuse my double post, but I now have the whole Ultimate Dragon Ball arc Subs.



Before I start I want to gets things out of the way and very clear, this is a non-opinionated matter. This is me posting the GT Subs as they are, and without changing any of the words, or putting my opinion into what's said or done. I am also posting timestamps so you can go look for yourself if you don't believe me, and to make it easier for quotes.

If you're going to post an opinion, Please let it only be what you think of this list and only that.

Without further ado.


Ultimate Dragon Ball Arc.

Episode 1, Times, 2:19, 2:57, 3:22.
Base Goku and Oob appear to be fighting equally.

Times, 4:49, 4:56.
Goku and Oob passes out from their fight.

Time, 6:06.
Pilaf-sama: In other words, these Dragon Balls were created before the previous Kami's strength was divided in half, when he was still at his full power, and brimming with energy!

Note* The Direct Translation is Shen Long, and Pan is Pan-chan.

Current Power Chart.

Base Goku=Oob.

Ultimate Shenlong>>>Shenlong.

Episode 2. Time 18:54.
Goten: Why do we both...
Trunks: ...have to go?
Goten: I thought my brother Gohan was going...
Vegeta: This was my suggestion. It would be best if you two went, since you've been slacking off with your training. Going together with Kakarrot will be a good experience for you.

Episode. 4. Time, 6:21.
Son Goku can no longer preform the Shunkan Ido from being turned into a child.

Note* The direct Translation is Redjic.

Episode, 5. Time, 13:58.
Redjic takes Trunks down with one punch.
Time, 14:04.
Trunks: T-this guy can handle himself!

Time, 13:41.
Redjic: I'm Redjic. And I don't hold back, even if my opponent is a child.

Time, 14:55.
Goku blocks Redjic and throws him with ease.
Time, 15:21.
Redjic's blades are blocked, and Redjic can't budge Goku.
Time, 15:29.
Goku breaks Redjic's blades without grunting or sweating.
Time, 15:58.
Goku: You're strong! I'm starting to get excited!
Redjic: Your ability must be greater than just this. Am I right Saiyan?

Time, 16:37.
Super Saiyan Goku breaks through Redjic's staff with a single punch, also knocking him back. Then knocking him around, then to the ground. Redjic fires a blast, then Goku fires a Kamehameha to finish the fight.

Note* The logic is seriously off so far, Goku, Pan and Trunks fall from the sky, when they could just stop in midair instead.

Episode, 6. Time, 22:05.
Goku: Say, how about the name “Gill” for this guy?

Episode, 7. Time, 15:01.
Pan: It's okay! On our planet, Grandpa and Trunks are the first and second strongest people there are. And, although I hate to say it, I am number three. Right?
Trunks: Well...you may be giving me too much credit by saying I'm second. After all, there's Gohan-san, and Dad, not to mention Piccolo-sama...
Pan: You dummy. In this situation, we have to exaggerate!

So, at this point in time we know that Trunks is Number 6 or 7 strongest on Earth.

Note* The most disturbing thing I have ever seen, is Trunks in a dress and makeup.

Note* The direct Translation is Mutchi.

Episode 11. Time 22:01.
In reference to Mutchi.
Trunks: He has incredible ki!

Episode 12. Time 4:31.
Goku: You're awesome! A far cry from the way that earlier guy handled his whip! I'm starting to get excited!

Time 6:26.
In reference to Trunks struggling to hold up a stack of stones in a pyramid shape.
Trunks: I can't move! Damn! Is this because I haven't trained that hard?

Note* You can really tell GT's regression to Z in Maturity.


Time 8:38.
It seems Goku goes Super Saiyan more out of Frustration from not getting past Mutchi's dirty tricks.

Time 9:16.
In reference to Mutchi Vs. Super Saiyan Goku.
Dollacki: For a kid he's got quite a bit of energy. This is bad. There's no way that Mutchi can beat him like this.
Time 16:37.
Mutchi: What's the deal with this kid!? It's not just his appearance that changed, his power and speed also rose to a whole different level!

Note* Super Saiyan Goku had an advantage on Mutchi, until his whips were wrapped around his wrist, then Goku lost his advantage due to the whips absorbing ki.

Time 17:21.
Mutchi is defeated by a surprise ki blast, then when we see Trunks he's in Base right after killing Mutchi, with Goku thanking him.

Episode 13. Time 4:00.
In reference to Lood being awakened.
Pan: What an incredible ki!

Time 4:55.
Goku: He sure has a funny face!
Trunks: B-but still, I sense an extraordinary ki!

Time 5:58.
Goku: He's got awesome power, huh?

Time 9:46.
Goku fires a blast that looks like a Kamehameha but never calls it out, but Lood is seemingly un-effected by it.
Goku: Awesome! He didn't even flinch!

Time 13:43.
In reference to Lood stepping on Goku and Trunks.
Goku and Truks go Super Saiyan, then push Lood's foot up, knocking him off his feet. They power down to Base, smirking and confident they can defeat Lood in Base.

Time 14:43.
Goku and Trunks together, punch Lood knocking him back a bit, then punching the back of his knee's, then kicking the back of his head, knocking him to the ground.

Time 16:04.
Goku: It's like he has awesome power, but he ain't clear on how to use it, huh?

Time 17:40.
In reference to Lood's arms spinning.
Goku and Trunks fire a ki bast at Lood's arms attempting to slow them down. Lood is sent to his knee's and his arms stop spinning, causing smoke to come out of him.

Time 18:20.
Lood struggles to his feet, then Goku and Trunks continue to knock him around while smirking.

Time 19:04.
In reference to Dr. Mu and Dollatacki coming up with a way to get Lood to Full Power.
Dr. Mu: You have a mighty fine doll there, don't you?
Dollatacki: She's my favorite.
Dr. Mu: That doll appears to hold a marvelous dormant power. What was that person before she became a doll?
Dallatacki: Before, she was a girl! Her name was Pan-chan. She was friends with those, but still pretty cute, considering, isn't she?
Dr. Mu: I see. Those guys huh, huh? Dollatacki, have Lord Lood absorb her! Once you do, Lord Lood will have a chance of winning again.

This gives us the impression that the current power chain in this Episode is the following. Since Trunks' punches are also effecting Lood.

Son Goku>>Trunks>>Level 2 Lood>Mutchi.

Episode 14. Time 4:17.
In reference to Lood being at Level 1 (Full Power).
Goku: This is some intense power!

Time 4:47.
In reference to witnessing Lood at Level 1.
Dr. Mu: What magnificent power!

Time 16:32.
Trunks is knocked down by Lood's mouth blast.
Trunks: D-damn... I won't be beaten by this guy! I should have trained more...

*The chant Goku and Pan use is actually just words, not a chant, it follows. Pork bowl, Tempura bowl, Chicken & egg bowl.

So, at this point the placement has changed a little, but not too dramatically, so in the Epsidoe we currently have.

Base Goku>Level 1 Lood>>Base Trunks.

Episode 15 doesn't have anything about power placement or clearing up anything.

This concludes the Ultimate Dragon Ball Arc.
Edited by Saberoph, Apr 18 2013, 01:34 AM.
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So at this point the series works out with Super Saiyans holding the top tier, then main villains and base Goku holding high, Trunks falls in the middle with Pan, and everyone else falls below.
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Nah, Kakarrot and Trunks didn't go on and on about Redjic's power like they did with Lood.

This is what I got from it.

Base Goku>Level 1 Lood>Redjic>>Base Trunks>Level 2 Redjic.

Notice how I have yet to place Pan anywhere, because all of that starts I the next arc and if I went ahead and did it, it would be opinionated and that would defy the point of this Thread.
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There's already something similar here:

http://www.shindenforums.com/topic/4-gt-strength-checker/
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I know that, but this is a different site and there isn't anything like that here.
Edited by Saberoph, Apr 18 2013, 11:10 PM.
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And the Black Star saga is a tough one, so I think this'll be a good way to power chain and reference very soon.
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It's more of a the Saiyans get stronger thing Toei did.
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