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Goku's advancement rate on King Kai's planet; trial and error
Topic Started: Apr 3 2013, 07:49 PM (1,872 Views)
Xfing Apr 3 2013, 07:49 PM Post #1
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 Goku trained for 128 days on King Kai's planet (arrived 158 days before the supposed arrival of the Saiyans to Earth, but those arrived a month earlier instead).

He strengthened himself from 416 to "over 8000". Now, I'm not the best at designing equations, so I went for trial-and-error approach, and I got a calculation. Goku's advancement rate was 1,0237x a day. This let him develop a powerlevel of 8,148 after 128 days of training.

Now we can assume that the 10x gravity quickened his development 10 times, to in normal gravitational conditions, Goku's advancement rate woult be 1,00237x a day. Of course this is just an assumption, there is no way to tell how much gravity training sped up gains. If 100x gravity would let Goku advance at 1,237x a day, it would probably be fine, but this would probably create disproportions for Vegeta, who has been training in the 7 year gap in heightened gravity every day (he said 150x was his standard). Raising your power almost a quarter every day would make Vegeta a freaking beast after 7 years, much stronger than he was. So I guess at some point, certain gravity values stop affecting your training gain speed. These are probably biggest when you still struggle with the gravity.

What do you think? How much do you think gravity affects training gain speed?

How much do you think Raditz would have improved after a 12 hour session in 10x gravity?
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TheACE Apr 3 2013, 08:07 PM Post #2
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 I thought that Saiyans improved linearly based off of their environment and recovering from damage.
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Xfing Apr 3 2013, 09:10 PM Post #3
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Apr 3 2013, 08:07 PM
I thought that Saiyans improved linearly based off of their environment and recovering from damage.
Well, Goku's training when on his way to Namek was quickened by the fact that he worked himself almost to death each time and then ate a Senzu to receive a Zenkai. That's why he went from 8k to 90k in.. how much was it? 15 days? Not to mention that the 100x gravity was still challenging to him at the time, so it must have helped his gains.
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DSB Apr 4 2013, 05:12 AM Post #4
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 ^ that was 6 days
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Selsiuss Apr 4 2013, 05:28 AM Post #5
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Goku must have gotten a power up after healing from the battle with Vegeta as well. I could see him jumping up to 10-13,000 before undergoing advanced gravity training.
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Saberoph Apr 4 2013, 05:41 AM Post #6
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 Here's what the Manga has to say about this.

Vol 17, Pg, 68.
Context: Goku's Training.
Around and around he goes...Working his body and chi to death and then refreshing himself by eating a senzu...
...As the seven beans given to him by Master Karin are already down to three.

That's what the Narrator says.
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DSB Apr 4 2013, 05:48 AM Post #7
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 I say his Zenkai wsnt as big as Vegeta's

Vegeta went through a lot
Goku just got his bones crushed

12000 at max .... then , its all training
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Saberoph Apr 4 2013, 06:26 AM Post #8
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 I agree with that. besides ultimately it was Kakarrot's training that picked up the slack, then ran with it.
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Aman741 Apr 4 2013, 02:28 PM Post #9
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 Vegeta due to the fact that he rests after training where he has none senzu beans after training.

While Goku get's a zenkai boost with direct healing in the other world.

There is a big difference in Goku's advancement and Vegeta's advancement.

If Kami had the powers of Dende then the Z fighters would have been better against the Saiyans.
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Xfing Apr 4 2013, 03:00 PM Post #10
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 But Goku's training in the spaceship also dealt with zenkais. Like the narrator said. Working himself almost to death, then taking a Senzu. If he wanted, he could have trained "just enough", and not need senzus at all. He wouldn't have improved that much that fast in that case, though.
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Aman741 Apr 4 2013, 03:10 PM Post #11
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 Yes, I din't included that.

Also later it is explained how he got much stronger then Vegeta talks about Zenkai Boost and stuff.
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DSB Apr 4 2013, 03:57 PM Post #12
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But Goku's training in the spaceship also dealt with zenkais. Like the narrator said. Working himself almost to death, then taking a Senzu. If he wanted, he could have trained "just enough", and not need senzus at all. He wouldn't have improved that much that fast in that case, though.
To be honest , No

I think he took Senzu' to heal himself

It shouldnt give him any Zenkais
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lunar2 Apr 4 2013, 05:51 PM Post #13
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 Chapter: 270 (DBZ 76), P8.3-4
Context: Narrator commenting on Goku’s increasing strength.
Narrator: “Goku had continued this insane pattern of pushing his body and ki to the brink of death, then refreshing himself again by eating a senzu. The 7 senzu he received from Lord Karin have already fallen to only 3…However, though this training is outrageous, perhaps Goku has somehow realized the Saiyan characteristic of their strength increasing when they overcome death…”

here the narrator says goku might be intentionally getting zenkais.

Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P12.1-2
Goku: “Vegeta, you defeat the other guy [Jheese]. You made a full recovery after almost dying, so your power should have greatly increased. He’s no longer an opponent you can’t beat…”
Vegeta: “Chih…So you knew, huh?”

here goku confirms he knows about zenkais, lending some extra credibility to the narrator's statement.

@king kai's training. doing king kai's training is a 20x increase, no matter how long it take you to do it. after that, you are just gravity training, which is a marginal boost, at best.

both goku and piccolo managed a 20x increase from their training, but goku was there several months, while piccolo was there just 6 days.
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TheACE Apr 4 2013, 06:04 PM Post #14
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 Must-a been a combination. Once Goku got used to the gravity, linearly in a real world sense, he should have been ten times stronger under normal conditions. Factor in his dying and reviving Zenkai (Death is a pretty hard core injury) and I can see his base jumping from 400 something to over Nine Thou-.... Nope, taking the high ground. Not doing that.
To Jumping to a much higher levels. Perfectly reasonable. He should logically have much higher endurance and can fight at much higher levels for a longer time as a result, kinda like how Baseball Players and Runners train with weights so they can go full force much longer during a competition when they aren't weighted.
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Aman741 Apr 4 2013, 06:10 PM Post #15
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 @ Lunar, Piccolo was there when he was killed by Nappa.

That includes the day in Hospital (For Goku, Krillin and Gohan) and also the days that took Krillin, Gohan and Bulma to get to Namek + The days that took Goku to get to Namek.

He wasn't there for 6 days only. Might be around for 1 month or 2.

@DSB

Yes, Goku did got a zenkai boost from training in the ship, that's stated that every Saiyan get's it. In the Manga where Goku was only PL of 1. Braddock was quite disappointed. But when his mother trained him to kill humans, his PL went up to 12. And he was only a baby.

Humans however gets a zenkai boost from training in the other world.

My proof is that when you are wished back to life, the ring over your head disappears. Making it so that you get the dead body which you were using it to train and still keep the zenkai boost.

However in the real world,

It makes it hard for the person to get a zenkai boost. What they can only achieve is their KI BOOST, STRENGTH BOOST* and INTELLIGENCE BOOST*1.

*Including the stamina boost and also the health boost (Body boost).

*1 Intelligence meaning Perfect attacks at the perfect time and also Strategies.

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