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SS Power and Manulaping it.
Topic Started: Apr 2 2013, 03:51 AM (698 Views)
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Thanks, Professor Gohan you gave me inspiration for this Thread.

It's obvious that Kakarrot, Vegeta and Future Trunks all Manipulated the SS power in the Rosat and achieved the Ascended SS forms to fight Cell, but of course Kakarrot realizing SS was the best way to go. Well, my theory is that SS3 is nothing more than a Manipulation of SS2's power much like the Ascended SS forms, where it's still a Transformation, but I see the same drawbacks with SS3 as I do with Ascended SS2(USS 2 or whatever everyone calls it), but the drawbacks are much more severe.

Thoughts?
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I would agree with what your saying expect the fact that if you made the three SSJ forms different pools and you put walls in that Pool, ASSJ and USSJ only break the wall they don't get out the pool while SSJ2 and SSJ3 get the saiyan into different pools.
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This is why I have a theory about the SS power that SS4 was the original Saiyan form, and that over thousands of years Saiyans evolved over time into what we see Base Saiyans are now, and I have Great Ape a byproduct of evolving, so the Evolving Chain would be the following.

SS4, SS2, SS, Base + Transforming into Great Ape still keeping the Saiyan true primal nature.

My belief that when Saiyans were first born they were very primal and had a short lifespan due to the SS4 power, so over the span of several hundreds of years the evolving process changed the hair from black to golden, the fur retracted, but the hair did more or less stay the same length(I'll get more into that in a bit) and their life span was longer, but still kind of short. Then again over several hundreds of years the Saiyans hair was more loose, and through the past two forms, they still had the fangs though, but retracting with evolving process. The lifespan lengthened eve longer, but they still didn't know how to control their power and were still very primal, they could talk but their aggression made our Saiyans look very tame and polite. Then even longer they evolved more fully retracting the fangs, completely loosing the Saiyan's hair far more, behing far less primal, still not ale to control the SS power, and here you could fit in the Vegeta's Anime Legendary SS story. This generation of Saiyans would also be the ones that acquire the planet that's named Vegeta, which does fit. Then, we know how the Saiyans went on and evolved from there.

It's only a theory, but since we don't have anything about Saiyans (Manga wise) before Planet Vegeta, you really could place any theory before that.

Now as for SS3, like I said before, and in my theory I view Ascended SS 2 and 3 and SS3 as an abomination to the SS3 power, something wasn't meant to be attained, that power after SS2 was only intended what's now known as SS4.

Yes, I know it's a stretch and that it gets thrown out, but I find it kind of fun to make these theories and there really isn't anything contradicting my Saiyan Origin theory either.
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Apr 2 2013, 04:31 AM
This is why I have a theory about the SS power that SS4 was the original Saiyan form, and that over thousands of years Saiyans evolved over time into what we see Base Saiyans are now, and I have Great Ape a byproduct of evolving, so the Evolving Chain would be the following.

SS4, SS2, SS, Base + Transforming into Great Ape still keeping the Saiyan true primal nature.

My belief that when Saiyans were first born they were very primal and had a short lifespan due to the SS4 power, so over the span of several hundreds of years the evolving process changed the hair from black to golden, the fur retracted, but the hair did more or less stay the same length(I'll get more into that in a bit) and their life span was longer, but still kind of short. Then again over several hundreds of years the Saiyans hair was more loose, and through the past two forms, they still had the fangs though, but retracting with evolving process. The lifespan lengthened eve longer, but they still didn't know how to control their power and were still very primal, they could talk but their aggression made our Saiyans look very tame and polite. Then even longer they evolved more fully retracting the fangs, completely loosing the Saiyan's hair far more, behing far less primal, still not ale to control the SS power, and here you could fit in the Vegeta's Anime Legendary SS story. This generation of Saiyans would also be the ones that acquire the planet that's named Vegeta, which does fit. Then, we know how the Saiyans went on and evolved from there.

It's only a theory, but since we don't have anything about Saiyans (Manga wise) before Planet Vegeta, you really could place any theory before that.

Now as for SS3, like I said before, and in my theory I view Ascended SS 2 and 3 and SS3 as an abomination to the SS3 power, something wasn't meant to be attained, that power after SS2 was only intended what's now known as SS4.

Yes, I know it's a stretch and that it gets thrown out, but I find it kind of fun to make these theories and there really isn't anything contradicting my Saiyan Origin theory either.
Huh, the Super Saiyan Four transformation preceded Saiyan Ascended Beyond a Super Saiyan and the Super Saiyan that Goes Even Further Beyond huh? Well I guess that explains why the Elder Kai would know about it before anybody else (Why he still calls it a Super Saiyan 4 is a mystery, he's probably well over the 5,000,000 year mark and I never thought a sentient Saiyan species that could have the power of a Super Saiyan Four could be much more than 100,000 years old, but I digress and will return to this later).

That being said, I can see it as the Saiyan's primitive look without the power. Personally I always thought that Super Saiyan Four was the Primal Saiyan within, just tamed. Hence why he had to combined the Super Saiyan form with the Great Ape form (Aka Golden Oozaru) initially then master that to truly transcend the limitation. I guess it kinda explains the "Neanderthal-esque" brow of the Super Saiyan that Goes Further Beyond and the sheer fury of A Saiyan Ascended Beyond a Super Saiyan as well. Although I always did wonder if this was just the way that Goku and the gang's super Saiyan powers just manifested, as only certain Saiyans figured out certain variants of the levels. I read in the GT perfect Files (and yes, yes, yes I get it's not cannon, but we're dealing with fan theories right now so let me have this) that Pan, as a female and a saiyan had the potential to "become a type of super saiyan never before imagined/seen" and it got me thinking. I've seen the Female Super Saiyan Transformation in DBO and in Dragonball Heroes, but I think I read an interview (Can't find it, will link and source when I do) that Akira Toriyama didn't add any because he didn't know what they would look like. Maybe a female Super Saiyan's energy manifests differently. I don't know. Maybe their hair is streaked crimson with the Gold. Maybe the hair just spikes and energy just blazes orange. Who knows. And we only have Super Saiyans from 2 bloodlines (3 if you include Broly, and he's radically different). Maybe different Saiyan families would transform in different ways. Even Super Saiyan Fours all don't look the same when they transform. Gogeta's colors are INVERTED for Kami's sake. This opens up a lot of possibilities Saber, cheers on that.

But what does everyone else think?
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Thanks, as for Broli...

In my theory, I have him as a descendent to the Saiyan that could only use SS while being the Great Ape, and how I also have both being the legendary SS, because cannon wise Kakarrot achieved SS, a form that many has strived to achieve but always fall short of it, so it's legendary due to how hard it was originally to attain, and Broli being the descendant of the Great Ape SS, that would technically make Broli Legendary status and since his SS is unique, you could easily call him a Legend due to that too.

But, this is getting off topic here...

The main subject is thoughts on my theory that SS3 could very well be just another Ascended form much like Ascended SS 2 and 3?
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Nah , i dont think SSj3 is a manipulation of SSj2

But yes , a ASSj2 or a USSj2 is possible

i would have liked to see them used by Vegeta :p
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But it's a harmless theory that other then the SS3 argument, can actually fit if sued right.
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I believe SSJ3 is an all out transformation but the power will decrease and leave you valuable if the job is not done
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I just think Kakarrot was attempting to try something new with SS3. Where instead of the muscles getting large, he did the same thing but with the hair instead.
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If I recall correctly, while ASSj and USSj were said to drain stamina fast, SSj3 was said to drain ki. Therefore I would imagine a decreasing powerlevel. Not sure about it though.
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