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Why didnt Goku Make Gohan a SSj2 in Rosat ?
Topic Started: Apr 1 2013, 01:37 PM (4,003 Views)
+ miguelnuva Apr 2 2013, 12:00 PM Post #31
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Apr 2 2013, 08:25 AM
See this :
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See Goku's Facial Expression ?
It means he expected Something like this .
Now , SSj2 maybe SSj with Rage of Gohan for AT , but in the next few pages , The Z Warriors say that Gohan went BEYOND SSj .

Isnt this a proof that Goku Knew about this power, he saw it in Rosat , but didnt know its a Transformation and not an Upgrade like ASSj ?
Goku is smiling here because what he wanted did happen but later he says he didn't think Gohan would go this far. Gohan went beyond what Goku thought once he started to fight and dominate Cell.

When the Z warriors say beyond they mean like how USSJ and ASSJ are, I believe SSJ2 was originally called SSJ Grade V but I do know AT originally made the form SSJ Gohan with all his rage.

SO I'd say Goku thought it was a further upgrade possibly but he was expecting an angry SSJ not an enraged SSJ2.
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Saiyan Femme Apr 2 2013, 02:29 PM Post #32
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 I think you are right DSB, in the sense that if Gohan could be stimulated to transforming into a SSJ1 in a controlled environment, he should be able to be pushed to SSJ2 during training as well.

But how could Goku know to push Gohan for it when he didn't even know such a transformation existed? As far as Goku knew, Gohan could only be pushed to power up further through anger, there was no particularly defined destination in sight.
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Zenet Apr 2 2013, 02:44 PM Post #33
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Goku couldn't make Gohan SS2 because only someone like Cell can push him that far.
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DSB Apr 2 2013, 03:13 PM Post #34
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Apr 2 2013, 02:29 PM
I think you are right DSB, in the sense that if Gohan could be stimulated to transforming into a SSJ1 in a controlled environment, he should be able to be pushed to SSJ2 during training as well.

But how could Goku know to push Gohan for it when he didn't even know such a transformation existed? As far as Goku knew, Gohan could only be pushed to power up further through anger, there was no particularly defined destination in sight.


seige
Apr 2 2013, 02:44 PM
Goku couldn't make Gohan SS2 because only someone like Cell can push him that far.


Goku told the others that Gohan's Dormant Power will come out when Cell Pisses him off

If that is the Case , Transformation or Not , Goku could have brought out even half of Gohan's Total Dormant power by making him angry inside Rosat
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Zenet Apr 2 2013, 04:06 PM Post #35
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Apr 2 2013, 03:13 PM
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Apr 2 2013, 02:29 PM
I think you are right DSB, in the sense that if Gohan could be stimulated to transforming into a SSJ1 in a controlled environment, he should be able to be pushed to SSJ2 during training as well.

But how could Goku know to push Gohan for it when he didn't even know such a transformation existed? As far as Goku knew, Gohan could only be pushed to power up further through anger, there was no particularly defined destination in sight.


seige
Apr 2 2013, 02:44 PM
Goku couldn't make Gohan SS2 because only someone like Cell can push him that far.


Goku told the others that Gohan's Dormant Power will come out when Cell Pisses him off

If that is the Case , Transformation or Not , Goku could have brought out even half of Gohan's Total Dormant power by making him angry inside Rosat
Cell had to bring out the cell jrs who tried to kill his friends and then steps on 16 head to make him snap Goku as the dad couldn't do anything to make him that mad.
Plus Goku didnt know about SS2 so he wasn't thinking of a transformation.
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Frostmourne Apr 2 2013, 04:11 PM Post #36
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 Basicly Goku knew how strong Gohan had become and he really saw that there would be a chance of him defeating Cell. He knew that he was the only to and Goku even admited that Cell was stronger than himself. The rosat flashback where Gohan became a SSJ2, doesn't mean anything, it was all filler. And he didn't even know about the SSJ2 as the other said, but he definitely knew about his hidden power, which was the only hope they had. Goku just saw how strong Gohan had become and that he had the potentials to defeat Cell and unleash his hidden power.
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Alex D. Boss Apr 2 2013, 04:42 PM Post #37
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 SSJ2 didn't even exist lol. It was only a broken wall thing for the SSJ's. Goku knew Gohan would get stronger , but SSJ2 wasn't a form to be known by anyone.
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DSB Apr 2 2013, 04:57 PM Post #38
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 I dont know why u guyz are thinking that i said Goku knew about SSj2

I said HE DIDNT know

but wouldnt it have been good in Goku's point of view to check The extent of Gohan's Dormant power , just to know if its good enough to beat cell ?

About making him angrier , yes he could have tried to do it , by the same way he made Gohan angry and make him go SSj [Making him think about Freeza and all ]
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Saberoph Apr 2 2013, 05:11 PM Post #39
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 I always believed that Kakarrot assumed Gohan would just have this massive power up, defeat Cell, then probably pass out due to the amount of rage he produced.
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Saiyan Femme Apr 3 2013, 01:46 AM Post #40
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Apr 2 2013, 03:13 PM
Goku told the others that Gohan's Dormant Power will come out when Cell Pisses him off

If that is the Case , Transformation or Not , Goku could have brought out even half of Gohan's Total Dormant power by making him angry inside Rosat
Basically, you mean Goku and Gohan should have kept training in the RoSaT, or at least gone back into it after Goku saw Perfect Cell, and try to push Gohan to reach some of that power Goku expected Gohan to achieve by getting mad at Cell without having to get mad when he eventually did face Cell?

Yeah, honestly I agree. Goku's "genius plan" was far from perfect, sure it makes for an awesome plot and story, but putting the outcome of the battle on Gohan's rage-power sounds like a lousy idea that could very easily go wrong, since the only way Gohan can achieve that state is by losing control of his emotions so he no longer holds back his power. Loss of control doesn't sound like the best and most dependable state to fight in.
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Saberoph Apr 3 2013, 01:52 AM Post #41
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 I look at Gohan's rage and Kakarrot's plan like this.

I thought it was a horrible idea, because there was still a good chance that Gohan wouldn't have gotten pissed and Cell just kill him.

I think about half into the 10 day wait Kakarrot should have either gone back in the Rosat with Goha, or send The Namek in with him, because The Namek not only saw Gohan's first record episode, but also originally Trained him, so he also knows what it takes to piss Gohan off.
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Saiyan Femme Apr 3 2013, 02:05 AM Post #42
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Apr 3 2013, 01:52 AM
I thought it was a horrible idea, because there was still a good chance that Gohan wouldn't have gotten pissed and Cell just kill him.
I doubt Cell could have killed Gohan, or at least I find it very unlikely.

On the other hand, I think Cell or the Cell Jrs could have very easily killed any of the other Z fighters before Gohan finally snapped (Actually it did happen, poor #16 bless his artificial soul, but no1curr about him). And the only one of the bunch who could be revived with the dragon balls was Future Trunks and Gohan himself. It was a very risky plan.

Basically, Goku underestimated how difficult it is for Gohan to get to that state where he loses his mind and how much control over it Gohan has when he finally loses himself in it.
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Saberoph Apr 3 2013, 02:07 AM Post #43
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 Why not? Cell still wasn't at Full Power, I find it hard to believe that Gohan could survive an attack from Full Power Cell.
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Saiyan Femme Apr 3 2013, 02:10 AM Post #44
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 I mean that I think Gohan would have somehow managed to finally make himself snap and power up before being killed. I don't remember Gohan ever being near death without having rage-powered.
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Saberoph Apr 3 2013, 02:14 AM Post #45
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 I know, I'm saying if that plan had failed Cell would kill Gohan.

I don't think it would fail, but that was a worst case scenario, that's all.
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