SSjin Trunks ( Mecha Freeza arrival ) Vs No. 20

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SSjin Trunks ( Mecha Freeza arrival ) Vs No. 20
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Captain Cadaver	Mar 31 2013, 02:21 PM Post #16
Absolute End of Century Conquerer Posts: 1,345 Group: Member Member #9,053 Joined: February 16, 2013 Favourite Anime Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star	Saberoph Mar 30 2013, 10:04 PM Gero had No idea about SS, and a sick Kakarrot had him worried. He wasn't worried about Sick SSJ Goku, believing that #19 alone could handle it. After his calculations were proven wrong it was when he became worried about #19. Considering #19 was capable of taking hits from Sick SSJ Goku, who was implied by Ten to be far above SSJ Yardrat Goku, who in turn was far above SSJ Trunks, I'd say #20 takes this. The only thing to suggest him to not be far stronger than Trunks is Vegeta stating that he could tell from #19's movements that the Artifical Humans weren't as amazing as Trunks made them out to be, and even that could be interpreted as Vegeta having extremely high expectations of them. Plus, #20 was powerful enough that he could've possibly defeated a drained SSJ Vegeta, who hadn't lost multi-folds of his power when considering he'd only provided a little to #19 and a little more with the Big Bang Attack. I can't see him as having gone down to below SSJ Trunks' power. Edited by Captain Cadaver, Mar 31 2013, 02:21 PM.
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TheACE	Apr 1 2013, 05:57 AM Post #17
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	After a drain, Piccolo still fought Dr. Gero with "Super Saiyan Feroicity/Power" while sync'd with Nail. With Trunks being an actual Super Saiyan... well I have a good feeling he could have done the same. Trunks still has this one.
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Captain Cadaver	Apr 1 2013, 12:52 PM Post #18
Absolute End of Century Conquerer Posts: 1,345 Group: Member Member #9,053 Joined: February 16, 2013 Favourite Anime Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star	TheACE Apr 1 2013, 05:57 AM After a drain, Piccolo still fought Dr. Gero with "Super Saiyan Feroicity/Power" while sync'd with Nail. Piccolo also stated that he felt confident that he could beat the Artificial Humans based on his estimations, and already knew from what Trunks told him that Trunks stood no chance against them. Piccolo (vs. #20)>Artificial Humans (Piccolo's estimations)>>>SSJ Trunks
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+ miguelnuva	Apr 1 2013, 01:18 PM Post #19
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Trunks could maybe handle 19 Pre but that's it. 20 Pre and up is too much for any pre android saga SSJ.
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Zenet	Apr 1 2013, 03:57 PM Post #20
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	Trunks wins. Edited by Zenet, Apr 1 2013, 04:00 PM.



Sam	Apr 1 2013, 09:33 PM Post #21
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	zenet Apr 1 2013, 03:57 PM Trunks wins. Please elaborate on that in the future Trunks stood no chance against No. 17 and No. 18. He had no idea who No's 19 and 20 even were.
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Zenet	Apr 1 2013, 09:39 PM Post #22
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	Necifix Apr 1 2013, 09:33 PM zenet Apr 1 2013, 03:57 PM Trunks wins. Please elaborate on that in the future Trunks stood no chance against No. 17 and No. 18. He had no idea who No's 19 and 20 even were. Vegeta said the androids were not as strong as expected so that puts them below Trunks 1st appearance because they were supposed to be stronger according to trunks. Thats why I think trunks wins. I felt lazy on the first comment : )



Captain Cadaver	Apr 1 2013, 10:33 PM Post #23
Absolute End of Century Conquerer Posts: 1,345 Group: Member Member #9,053 Joined: February 16, 2013 Favourite Anime Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star	zenet Apr 1 2013, 09:39 PM Vegeta said the androids were not as strong as expected so that puts them below Trunks 1st appearance because they were supposed to be stronger according to trunks. Thats why I think trunks wins. Vegeta was told that Trunks stood no chance against the Artificial Humans, not that they were just stronger than him. Plus, he was also told that they were capable of killing all of the Zet-Senshi. His expectations were likely very high, rather than simply Artificia; Humans>SSJ Trunks.
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* Yu Narukami	Apr 1 2013, 10:40 PM Post #24
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	#20 thought that with the humans' power plus Suppressed Piccolo's power, he'd be able to beat SSJ Vegeta. He had to be at least somewhat close for that to put him above Vegeta. Plus, everyone had gone through 3 years of intense training. Sick SSJ Goku is >>/>>> Post-Yardrat Goku, seeing as the implied increases in the 3 year gap are quite large. Trunks must have trained. He was still lumped together with Vegeta and Goku when Kami was referring to their chances against the androids.



TheACE	Apr 1 2013, 10:43 PM Post #25
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	But Android Ki can't be sensed. And in reference to Androids 17 and 18, they still handily curb stomped everybody. Vegeta, Trunks, Piccolo, Tien and Dr. Gero himself. This wasn't an issue. So I'm on Zenet's side, Trunks has this one. Besides, Dr. Gero is probably the least threatening out of all the Androids with the shortest and most pitiful fight in Android Saga history. So using linear logic, that would implicate that Sync'd Piccolo > Super Saiyan Vegeta. Which I'm sure in some respects is true, but Word of God does put Vegeta at the top of the Z-Fighters arnsenal for that particular battle in the Android Campaign. That being said, Krillin's comparrison of Piccolo to a Super Saiyan is based on Goku and Trunks' preformance in the Trunks Saga. Again this is after a drain and Piccolo is still handily whipping Dr. Gero's arse. So if we are just going off of statements without actively looking at feats, Trunks takes this regardless.
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Captain Cadaver	Apr 1 2013, 10:46 PM Post #26
Absolute End of Century Conquerer Posts: 1,345 Group: Member Member #9,053 Joined: February 16, 2013 Favourite Anime Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star	TheACE Apr 1 2013, 10:43 PM But Android Ki can't be sensed. That being said, Krillin's comparrison of Piccolo to a Super Saiyan is based on Goku and Trunks' preformance in the Trunks Saga. Again this is after a drain and Piccolo is still handily whipping Dr. Gero's arse. So if we are just going off of statements without actively looking at feats, Trunks takes this regardless. Vegeta was able to tell how strong they were based on their movements, the same way all fighters did before ki sensing was introduced to the plot. Piccolo also stated that he felt confident in his ability to handle two opponents who he heard Trunks was no match for. Going off statements, Piccolo isn't just on par with SSJ Trunks, but far above him.
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Zenet	Apr 1 2013, 10:48 PM Post #27
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	Captain Cadaver Apr 1 2013, 10:33 PM zenet Apr 1 2013, 09:39 PM Vegeta said the androids were not as strong as expected so that puts them below Trunks 1st appearance because they were supposed to be stronger according to trunks. Thats why I think trunks wins. Vegeta was told that Trunks stood no chance against the Artificial Humans, not that they were just stronger than him. Plus, he was also told that they were capable of killing all of the Zet-Senshi. His expectations were likely very high, rather than simply Artificia; Humans>SSJ Trunks. His first expection is the cyborgs to be stronger than trunks. Edited by Zenet, Apr 1 2013, 10:50 PM.



+ Kyouks	Apr 1 2013, 10:51 PM Post #28
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Piccolo wondering whether or not he'd grown too powerful for the androids Trunks spoke of doesn't make an ounce sense if the android he was fighting was weaker than said Trunks..put 2 and 2 together from there. Edited by Kyouks, Apr 1 2013, 11:02 PM.



Captain Cadaver	Apr 1 2013, 10:52 PM Post #29
Absolute End of Century Conquerer Posts: 1,345 Group: Member Member #9,053 Joined: February 16, 2013 Favourite Anime Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star	zenet Apr 1 2013, 10:48 PM His first expection is the cyborgs to be stronger than trunks. Also Piccolo caught up to Vegeta could imply the Vegeta is not that far ahead of Yadrat Goku at this point because the SS went down to x10. Trunks explicitally told Goku that he was no match for the Artificial Humans, and considering Piccolo overheard everything, it's unlikely he would avoid that detail. I don't even see how Piccolo catching up to Vegeta's tier or the implied decrease of the SSJ multiplier would bring you to that conclusion, especially when Sick SSJ Goku was strong enough to leave Tenshinhan in awe, despite having witnessed it's power 3 years ago.
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Zenet	Apr 1 2013, 11:01 PM Post #30
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	Captain Cadaver Apr 1 2013, 10:52 PM zenet Apr 1 2013, 10:48 PM His first expection is the cyborgs to be stronger than trunks. Also Piccolo caught up to Vegeta could imply the Vegeta is not that far ahead of Yadrat Goku at this point because the SS went down to x10. Trunks explicitally told Goku that he was no match for the Artificial Humans, and considering Piccolo overheard everything, it's unlikely he would avoid that detail. I don't even see how Piccolo catching up to Vegeta's tier or the implied decrease of the SSJ multiplier would bring you to that conclusion, especially when Sick SSJ Goku was strong enough to leave Tenshinhan in awe, despite having witnessed it's power 3 years ago. Its stated Goku power drains half way threw the fight with C19 not before it. to the other points Chapter 343 (DBZ 149), P7.4 Vegeta: “I’ve realized by watching your faint movements up to now…That you guys don’t seem as terrible as the rumors made out.” About Piccolo's words: Chapter: 347 (DBZ 153), P3.2-3 Piccolo: “It seems that in the original history, we were supposed to be wiped out by you two androids…But it looks like the future has changed somehow…Was it that you weren’t as strong as we thought?...Or have we grown too strong?... It turns out these Androids are in fact not as strong as they thought since its mentioned twice. Since No.19 and 20 are not really the Androids Trunks told them, that answer Piccolo's question, right? So it's acceptable Trunks to beat Gero. . Edited by Zenet, Apr 1 2013, 11:07 PM.



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