CritifyBlaster

Mar 31 2013, 05:54 PM

@Clearin, yeah, that's true, can't believe I forgot that.

Honestly, I didn't go up to the middle of GT because I hated the dub version and Pan in the Dub. So I stopped, is it true that Pan went super saiyan?

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 05:35 PM

@ Clearing.
OMG I forgot about the Manga History of Trunks. Thank you.

As for the female super saiyan thing I recall reading something, not sure if it was in a Daizenshuu or if it was in the GT Perfect Files, that said the percentage had nothing to do with the transformation, she just never got a fair shot. (See the GT reference in Overshadowed by Awesome and compare Pan's scenes with her Super Saiyan friends and relatives. I also remember one of the two guides (Which technically qualify as Word of God for the most part.) stating that Pan could potentially transform into a "Type of Super Saiyan never seen before." So to speak. So boom, plot hole found, we just filled it with plot cement. Plot bus keeps moving.

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 06:05 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 05:35 PM

@ Clearing.
OMG I forgot about the Manga History of Trunks. Thank you.

As for the female super saiyan thing I recall reading something, not sure if it was in a Daizenshuu or if it was in the GT Perfect Files, that said the percentage had nothing to do with the transformation, she just never got a fair shot. (See the GT reference in Overshadowed by Awesome and compare Pan's scenes with her Super Saiyan friends and relatives. I also remember one of the two guides (Which technically qualify as Word of God for the most part.) stating that Pan could potentially transform into a "Type of Super Saiyan never seen before." So to speak. So boom, plot hole found, we just filled it with plot cement. Plot bus keeps moving.

GT isn't canon I think.

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 07:02 PM

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 06:05 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 05:35 PM

@ Clearing.
OMG I forgot about the Manga History of Trunks. Thank you.

As for the female super saiyan thing I recall reading something, not sure if it was in a Daizenshuu or if it was in the GT Perfect Files, that said the percentage had nothing to do with the transformation, she just never got a fair shot. (See the GT reference in Overshadowed by Awesome and compare Pan's scenes with her Super Saiyan friends and relatives. I also remember one of the two guides (Which technically qualify as Word of God for the most part.) stating that Pan could potentially transform into a "Type of Super Saiyan never seen before." So to speak. So boom, plot hole found, we just filled it with plot cement. Plot bus keeps moving.

GT isn't canon I think.

Canon is debatable. Unless you bring Megatron with you, he's pretty thorough.
I do an extended explaination on how I think "canon" works here.
But given the alternate options of what canon is, I'm still willing to believe that GT happened in one capacity or another.

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 07:11 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 07:02 PM

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 06:05 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 05:35 PM

@ Clearing.
OMG I forgot about the Manga History of Trunks. Thank you.

As for the female super saiyan thing I recall reading something, not sure if it was in a Daizenshuu or if it was in the GT Perfect Files, that said the percentage had nothing to do with the transformation, she just never got a fair shot. (See the GT reference in Overshadowed by Awesome and compare Pan's scenes with her Super Saiyan friends and relatives. I also remember one of the two guides (Which technically qualify as Word of God for the most part.) stating that Pan could potentially transform into a "Type of Super Saiyan never seen before." So to speak. So boom, plot hole found, we just filled it with plot cement. Plot bus keeps moving.

GT isn't canon I think.

Canon is debatable. Unless you bring Megatron with you, he's pretty thorough.
I do an extended explaination on how I think "canon" works here.
But given the alternate options of what canon is, I'm still willing to believe that GT happened in one capacity or another.

I don't think its canon because of the new movie its sorta like me continuing the dbz story it wouldn't be considered canon. Anyway I think Pan cant turn SS because she is more human. And Bra we don't know because she never fought in Z. Or that only males have the ability to turn SS.

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 07:18 PM

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 07:11 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 07:02 PM

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 06:05 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 05:35 PM

@ Clearing.
OMG I forgot about the Manga History of Trunks. Thank you.

As for the female super saiyan thing I recall reading something, not sure if it was in a Daizenshuu or if it was in the GT Perfect Files, that said the percentage had nothing to do with the transformation, she just never got a fair shot. (See the GT reference in Overshadowed by Awesome and compare Pan's scenes with her Super Saiyan friends and relatives. I also remember one of the two guides (Which technically qualify as Word of God for the most part.) stating that Pan could potentially transform into a "Type of Super Saiyan never seen before." So to speak. So boom, plot hole found, we just filled it with plot cement. Plot bus keeps moving.

GT isn't canon I think.

Canon is debatable. Unless you bring Megatron with you, he's pretty thorough.
I do an extended explaination on how I think "canon" works here.
But given the alternate options of what canon is, I'm still willing to believe that GT happened in one capacity or another.

I don't think its canon because of the new movie its sorta like me continuing the dbz story it wouldn't be considered canon. Anyway I think Pan cant turn SS because she is more human. And Bra we don't know because she never fought in Z. Or that only males have the ability to turn SS.

Lemmie ask you this then. Why can't Bills be after Hirudegarn? I really see no reason that it couldnt' have happened, there' no contradicting timeline or story line. 10 years is quite some time. Besides, even Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return seems to fall into the same time period and the only thing I really don't think could have been canon is Tarble himself, everything else I think is reasonable.

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 07:30 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 07:18 PM

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 07:11 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 07:02 PM

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 06:05 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 05:35 PM

@ Clearing.
OMG I forgot about the Manga History of Trunks. Thank you.

As for the female super saiyan thing I recall reading something, not sure if it was in a Daizenshuu or if it was in the GT Perfect Files, that said the percentage had nothing to do with the transformation, she just never got a fair shot. (See the GT reference in Overshadowed by Awesome and compare Pan's scenes with her Super Saiyan friends and relatives. I also remember one of the two guides (Which technically qualify as Word of God for the most part.) stating that Pan could potentially transform into a "Type of Super Saiyan never seen before." So to speak. So boom, plot hole found, we just filled it with plot cement. Plot bus keeps moving.

GT isn't canon I think.

Canon is debatable. Unless you bring Megatron with you, he's pretty thorough.
I do an extended explaination on how I think "canon" works here.
But given the alternate options of what canon is, I'm still willing to believe that GT happened in one capacity or another.

I don't think its canon because of the new movie its sorta like me continuing the dbz story it wouldn't be considered canon. Anyway I think Pan cant turn SS because she is more human. And Bra we don't know because she never fought in Z. Or that only males have the ability to turn SS.

Lemmie ask you this then. Why can't Bills be after Hirudegarn? I really see no reason that it couldnt' have happened, there' no contradicting timeline or story line. 10 years is quite some time. Besides, even Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return seems to fall into the same time period and the only thing I really don't think could have been canon is Tarble himself, everything else I think is reasonable.

what about the characters in GT who were stronger than Frizea? Frizea was said to be the strongest in the universe by bills. Before the androids was made and long after Buu was sealed. Also the movies are non canon too.

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 07:40 PM

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 07:30 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 07:18 PM

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 07:11 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 07:02 PM

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 06:05 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 05:35 PM

@ Clearing.
OMG I forgot about the Manga History of Trunks. Thank you.

As for the female super saiyan thing I recall reading something, not sure if it was in a Daizenshuu or if it was in the GT Perfect Files, that said the percentage had nothing to do with the transformation, she just never got a fair shot. (See the GT reference in Overshadowed by Awesome and compare Pan's scenes with her Super Saiyan friends and relatives. I also remember one of the two guides (Which technically qualify as Word of God for the most part.) stating that Pan could potentially transform into a "Type of Super Saiyan never seen before." So to speak. So boom, plot hole found, we just filled it with plot cement. Plot bus keeps moving.

GT isn't canon I think.

Canon is debatable. Unless you bring Megatron with you, he's pretty thorough.
I do an extended explaination on how I think "canon" works here.
But given the alternate options of what canon is, I'm still willing to believe that GT happened in one capacity or another.

I don't think its canon because of the new movie its sorta like me continuing the dbz story it wouldn't be considered canon. Anyway I think Pan cant turn SS because she is more human. And Bra we don't know because she never fought in Z. Or that only males have the ability to turn SS.

Lemmie ask you this then. Why can't Bills be after Hirudegarn? I really see no reason that it couldnt' have happened, there' no contradicting timeline or story line. 10 years is quite some time. Besides, even Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return seems to fall into the same time period and the only thing I really don't think could have been canon is Tarble himself, everything else I think is reasonable.

what about the characters in GT who were stronger than Frizea? Frizea was said to be the strongest in the universe by bills. Before the androids was made and long after Buu was sealed. Also the movies are non canon too.

That one I can only blame on the plot. I can't really come up with an effective in universe explanation except that without Frieza then other villians had a chance to grow and rise since he wasn't constraining them, hence why Red and Blue in the Tarble OVA were as tough as they were.
Otherwise... well no other threat would be credible if they just went backwards in villain competence and power.I haven't seen Battle of Gods yet so I can't directly address Bills, we can only assume that these sorts of people came to power in our dimension after Frieza. Like Dabura was relegated to Hell before Babidi took him, Ledgic was a mercenary that didn't want the same thing as Frieza and the machine mutants weren't nearly ready to take on the World Trade Organization, so they simply waited. The USSR wasn't a true super power until after the Nazis, British, French and Italy all fell. The power vacuum required something to fill it and that's how the USSR and USA cold war worked out. So I assume it's the same principle.

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 07:49 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 07:40 PM

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 07:30 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 07:18 PM

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 07:11 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 07:02 PM

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 06:05 PM

TheACE

Mar 31 2013, 05:35 PM

@ Clearing.
OMG I forgot about the Manga History of Trunks. Thank you.

As for the female super saiyan thing I recall reading something, not sure if it was in a Daizenshuu or if it was in the GT Perfect Files, that said the percentage had nothing to do with the transformation, she just never got a fair shot. (See the GT reference in Overshadowed by Awesome and compare Pan's scenes with her Super Saiyan friends and relatives. I also remember one of the two guides (Which technically qualify as Word of God for the most part.) stating that Pan could potentially transform into a "Type of Super Saiyan never seen before." So to speak. So boom, plot hole found, we just filled it with plot cement. Plot bus keeps moving.

GT isn't canon I think.

Canon is debatable. Unless you bring Megatron with you, he's pretty thorough.
I do an extended explaination on how I think "canon" works here.
But given the alternate options of what canon is, I'm still willing to believe that GT happened in one capacity or another.

I don't think its canon because of the new movie its sorta like me continuing the dbz story it wouldn't be considered canon. Anyway I think Pan cant turn SS because she is more human. And Bra we don't know because she never fought in Z. Or that only males have the ability to turn SS.

Lemmie ask you this then. Why can't Bills be after Hirudegarn? I really see no reason that it couldnt' have happened, there' no contradicting timeline or story line. 10 years is quite some time. Besides, even Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return seems to fall into the same time period and the only thing I really don't think could have been canon is Tarble himself, everything else I think is reasonable.

what about the characters in GT who were stronger than Frizea? Frizea was said to be the strongest in the universe by bills. Before the androids was made and long after Buu was sealed. Also the movies are non canon too.

That one I can only blame on the plot. I can't really come up with an effective in universe explanation except that without Frieza then other villians had a chance to grow and rise since he wasn't constraining them, hence why Red and Blue in the Tarble OVA were as tough as they were.
Otherwise... well no other threat would be credible if they just went backwards in villain competence and power.I haven't seen Battle of Gods yet so I can't directly address Bills, we can only assume that these sorts of people came to power in our dimension after Frieza. Like Dabura was relegated to Hell before Babidi took him, Ledgic was a mercenary that didn't want the same thing as Frieza and the machine mutants weren't nearly ready to take on the World Trade Organization, so they simply waited. The USSR wasn't a true super power until after the Nazis, British, French and Italy all fell. The power vacuum required something to fill it and that's how the USSR and USA cold war worked out. So I assume it's the same principle.

Bills reveals that Whis is his martial arts master and stronger than him. He also says that there are twelve universes, and the one Goku and his friends know is just one of them, the Seventh Universe. Bills is the God of Destruction of the Seventh Universe, and each universe has its God of Destruction.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Bills

That explains the Dabura bit since he was said to come from another universe/dimension.

DBGT is like the Z movie it dosent really follow the magna because its not made by the original writer. Which is why I think its non canon.

imjustsaiyanbro

Mar 31 2013, 08:43 PM

I saw some stuff that had to do with conception. Does that mean Vegeta and Goku went SSJ while doing the business?

zenet

Mar 31 2013, 08:58 PM

imjustsaiyanbro

Mar 31 2013, 08:43 PM

I saw some stuff that had to do with conception. Does that mean Vegeta and Goku went SSJ while doing the business?

I don't think so.