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How were Goten and Trunks able to become Super Saiyans so young?
Topic Started: Mar 30 2013, 05:59 PM (3,601 Views)
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Goten transformed at the age of 7 and Trunks transformed at the age of 8.
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Apart from plot. There dads obtained SS before they were born so gave them the SS genes.
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Mar 30 2013, 06:03 PM
Apart from plot. There dads obtained SS before they were born so gave them the SS genes.
Makes sense.

But don't all Saiyans have an SSJ gene in them which is why they can transform if they're strong enough?
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Mar 30 2013, 06:06 PM
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Mar 30 2013, 06:03 PM
Apart from plot. There dads obtained SS before they were born so gave them the SS genes.
Makes sense.

But don't all Saiyans have an SSJ gene in them which is why they can transform if they're strong enough?
For the rest they had to train and get emotional driven to unlock it. For Goten and Trunks it was already unlocked for them.
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Well , honestly

Goten should have been a Super Saiyan by Birth

Pan > Goten would be good too
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Mar 30 2013, 06:15 PM
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Mar 30 2013, 06:03 PM
Apart from plot. There dads obtained SS before they were born so gave them the SS genes.
Makes sense.

But don't all Saiyans have an SSJ gene in them which is why they can transform if they're strong enough?
For the rest they had to train and get emotional driven to unlock it. For Goten and Trunks it was already unlocked for them.
I'm calling you in universe explanation. I'll let Goten have it on the merit of his unclear conception. HOWEVER. Theoretically, Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan prior to the Androids but before Trunks' conception. Theoretically. His actual achievement of the form isn't clear but assuming that he was a Super Saiyan around Trunks' conception, why does present Trunks have a natural SSJ gene and Futiure Trunks not only achieving it around age 14 after Gohan is killed? According to official timelines, they were born and theoretically conceived at the same time.

For out of universe, I'll refer you to Goten and Trunks, and Gotenks as a whole when you look at his matter manipulating and generating style of fighting simply as Super Transformations as the Plot Demands. Otherwise I can't explain how the previously physical and mildly proven psychic Saiyans can make sentient energy ghost bombs, never the less explain their transformation.
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Vegeta was a SSJ when present Trunks was concived but not when F Trunks was due to trainning in the present and not in the future
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On the Dragon Ball wiki, I read some thing about why Gohan, Goten and Trunks were able to surpass the normal saiyan limits and enter the Super Saiyan at ease. [ It was a little bit different for Gohan but he has the most potential compared to the others ], well, it is because as you know, Full blooded saiyans have pretty much control over their emotions, and super saiyan is achieved from anger/sadness/etc ( emotional trigger ) just like human anger. Because Vegeta was, still is, someone who controls his emotions, it cancels his potential to exceed further easily. Same goes to Goku, but he is a bit different. And the direct reason why Goten and Trunks ( also Gohan ) can achieve Super Saiyan is because they don't have control over emotions and when they get angry, an emotional trigger occurs, causing a huge power increase. Just like Gohans rage. :D Also that Trunks and Goten had the Super Saiyan genes like Zenet, respectfully said.
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Mar 30 2013, 06:03 PM
Apart from plot. There dads obtained SS before they were born so gave them the SS genes.
Doesn't make sense considering that Bra should inherently be stronger than both boys since she was conceived when Vegeta was SSj2.
Same with Pan because Gohan had no transformations at all because he's essentially "outgrown" them with the introduction of his Ultimate form.

For the matter, it's simply a matter of plot device. It doesn't make sense how kids can get so strong without proper training anyway. We're not even sure if Trunks ever seriously trained with Vegeta prior to his training for the Tenkaichi Budokai. Vegeta was just as surprised at Trunks being a SSj as Gohan was with Goten.
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Mar 30 2013, 06:15 PM
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zenet
Mar 30 2013, 06:03 PM
Apart from plot. There dads obtained SS before they were born so gave them the SS genes.
Makes sense.

But don't all Saiyans have an SSJ gene in them which is why they can transform if they're strong enough?
For the rest they had to train and get emotional driven to unlock it. For Goten and Trunks it was already unlocked for them.
I'm calling you in universe explanation. I'll let Goten have it on the merit of his unclear conception. HOWEVER. Theoretically, Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan prior to the Androids but before Trunks' conception. Theoretically. His actual achievement of the form isn't clear but assuming that he was a Super Saiyan around Trunks' conception, why does present Trunks have a natural SSJ gene and Futiure Trunks not only achieving it around age 14 after Gohan is killed? According to official timelines, they were born and theoretically conceived at the same time.

For out of universe, I'll refer you to Goten and Trunks, and Gotenks as a whole when you look at his matter manipulating and generating style of fighting simply as Super Transformations as the Plot Demands. Otherwise I can't explain how the previously physical and mildly proven psychic Saiyans can make sentient energy ghost bombs, never the less explain their transformation.
Because in the future timeline Vegeta never achieved SS before trunks was born but in the present he did because he trained harder due to knowing the androids were coming. Including Vegeta was stronger in the present giving kids trunks more potential than future trunks. Which is why he was strong as a kid.

Ediit: KetchupRevenge It could be that the females were unable to become SS since it could be a male trait. Also pan was more human explaining why she cant go SS.

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Mar 31 2013, 04:35 PM
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Mar 30 2013, 06:06 PM
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Mar 30 2013, 06:03 PM
Apart from plot. There dads obtained SS before they were born so gave them the SS genes.
Makes sense.

But don't all Saiyans have an SSJ gene in them which is why they can transform if they're strong enough?
For the rest they had to train and get emotional driven to unlock it. For Goten and Trunks it was already unlocked for them.
I'm calling you in universe explanation. I'll let Goten have it on the merit of his unclear conception. HOWEVER. Theoretically, Vegeta achieved Super Saiyan prior to the Androids but before Trunks' conception. Theoretically. His actual achievement of the form isn't clear but assuming that he was a Super Saiyan around Trunks' conception, why does present Trunks have a natural SSJ gene and Futiure Trunks not only achieving it around age 14 after Gohan is killed? According to official timelines, they were born and theoretically conceived at the same time.

For out of universe, I'll refer you to Goten and Trunks, and Gotenks as a whole when you look at his matter manipulating and generating style of fighting simply as Super Transformations as the Plot Demands. Otherwise I can't explain how the previously physical and mildly proven psychic Saiyans can make sentient energy ghost bombs, never the less explain their transformation.
Because in the future timeline Vegeta never achieved SS before trunks was born but in the present he did because he trained harder due to knowing the androids were coming. Including Vegeta was stronger in the present giving kids trunks more potential than future trunks. Which is why he was strong as a kid.
Thats not proven

Vegeta may have gone SSj in the future , before Trunks' birth
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Just for the record everyone Future Trunks did have Super Saiyan by the time he was 14 years old. The anime version decided to not give it to him until Future Gohan's death for some reason but in the manga he had it while sparring with 1 armed Gohan.
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