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Decreasing SS Multiplier...
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Saberoph	Mar 29 2013, 03:51 PM Post #1
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	Now before anyone comes in here and says something like "Oh no, the Multiplier increases because of the Cell Games", unless you've got cannon proof to back this claim, then don't post it here. Now, who flows it and if so, where do you think it decreases and how low does it decrease to? Not only that, but if you follow the decreasing SS Multiplier, how do you think it effects the users Base?
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~~DSB~~	Mar 29 2013, 03:54 PM Post #2
The Showstopper Posts: 3,850 Group: Suspended Member #8,626 Joined: November 29, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox 16 Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Well .... One thing is Toriyama said it dropped down to 10x ... i think as much a saiyan's power increases in base , his SSj Multiplier decreases proportionally ... but after a minimum point , it stops decreasing [10x , i guess] there is nothing in the manga to support this ... but since the creator says .......... Edited by DSB, Mar 29 2013, 03:54 PM.
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Saberoph	Mar 29 2013, 04:09 PM Post #3
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	I can agree with that...I use to have x5, until I knew about x10, and that's where I have everyone by EOZ, but GT is a different story, because it implies that it's even lower, so I use x5. But here's my lowering Multiplier progression... Vegeta and Trunks 1st Post Rosat: x35. Post Rosat: x30. Kakarrot and Gohan Post Rosat: x20. Boo arc. Kakarrot: x10. Gohan: x20. Post Zeta Sword: x10. Goten and Trunks: x20. Post Rosat x10. GT. Kakarrot and Vegeta: x5. Gohan: x5. Goten and Trunks: x10. That's my full progression of the decreasing SS Multiplier. Now remember...for me the lowering Multiplier is Only for the initial Transformation it's self, overall the SS power is still x50. The lower Multiplier just allows the user to access SS easier, and gives the ability to raise and lower the SS power at will.
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Zenet	Mar 29 2013, 04:11 PM Post #4
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	I think it goes to x2 by buu saga. Since I think Goku ,Vegeta are around Piccolo at this point.



~~DSB~~	Mar 29 2013, 04:33 PM Post #5
The Showstopper Posts: 3,850 Group: Suspended Member #8,626 Joined: November 29, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox 16 Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	^ Then why did Vegeta said Piccolo a trash ? And u are questioning AT himself
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Captain Cadaver	Mar 29 2013, 05:00 PM Post #6
Absolute End of Century Conquerer Posts: 1,345 Group: Member Member #9,053 Joined: February 16, 2013 Favourite Anime Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star	Well, we have Toriyama originally envisioning it as 10x. If you believe the Kaioken to be phased out of the plot after the Freeza Arc, 10x can work. For those of you who believe Gohan was a SS2 against Dabura (not that I do), the difference between Goku's base and SSJ through the kili meter in the Boo Arc is suggested to be only around 4x. If using all aspects of the franchise (ie. non-canon material too) we have Rilld stating that Goku wasn't even using half his power when he went SSJ, heavily suggesting the SSJ multiplier in GT to be only 2.5x. Edited by Captain Cadaver, Mar 29 2013, 05:02 PM.
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+ Kyouks	Mar 29 2013, 05:06 PM Post #7
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	10x or lower is actually needed in the androids arc if you're to make Humans (sans Yamcha) + Suppressed Piccolo + Gero > SSJ Vegeta work.



Saberoph	Mar 29 2013, 05:33 PM Post #8
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	Captain Cadaver Mar 29 2013, 05:00 PM Well, we have Toriyama originally envisioning it as 10x. If you believe the Kaioken to be phased out of the plot after the Freeza Arc, 10x can work. For those of you who believe Gohan was a SS2 against Dabura (not that I do), the difference between Goku's base and SSJ through the kili meter in the Boo Arc is suggested to be only around 4x. If using all aspects of the franchise (ie. non-canon material too) we have Rilld stating that Goku wasn't even using half his power when he went SSJ, heavily suggesting the SSJ multiplier in GT to be only 2.5x. Not counting the Movies, is it possible in the Manga that Kakarrot couldn't handle the continue use of Kaioken and SS.
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* Crashbreaka	Mar 29 2013, 06:50 PM Post #9
Captain Oblivious Posts: 6,888 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,771 Joined: June 14, 2012 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Onepunch-Man, Gurren Lagann What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Seven Deadly Sins, Food Wars, Onepunch-Man	I use an initial 50x, followed up with 10x from there on (I like to keep things simple, I might change it if I make a PL list). For GT like CC said, I use a 2.5x.



Saberoph	Mar 30 2013, 08:30 PM Post #10
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	I use a x5 in GT, but I keep SS2 and SS3 the same. Then of course when SS4 comes around, you have to use Great Ape, SS, SS2, SS3, then another to make up the gap from Super Great Ape to SS4.
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Selsiuss	Mar 30 2013, 11:33 PM Post #11
Posts: 915 Group: Member Member #6,762 Joined: September 16, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Kyouka Suigetsu Mar 29 2013, 05:06 PM 10x or lower is actually needed in the androids arc if you're to make Humans (sans Yamcha) + Suppressed Piccolo + Gero > SSJ Vegeta work. Well, that's all from a statement from Dr. Gero, and we all know how reliable his calculations are (not)...



+ Kyouks	Mar 30 2013, 11:42 PM Post #12
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Then ya don't need it ^.^



TheACE	Mar 31 2013, 06:47 AM Post #13
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	The multiplier is a tough one. I think it stays the same, but I feel like the Saiyans seem to be able to access their power, so it's more of a potential thing, IMO of course. Side question: Why did they stop naming the Super Saiyan forms? I remember SS2 at one point was called Ascended Super Saiyan, or a Saiyan Ascended Beyond Super. But Super Saiyan 1, 2 and 3 just seemed so lazy.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Mar 31 2013, 04:15 PM Post #14
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	I'm one of those people who believe that there's no multiplier at all. It completely contradicts everything that we know about Saiyan power growth and Vegeta's claim that "(We) Saiyans can't be reduced to numbers." If there's a multiplier, than their power increase from transforming can always be estimated. Also it doesn't make sense why Saiyans usually opt to train in Super Saiyan if the only increase Super Saiyan is to get stronger in base.
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Xfing	Apr 1 2013, 01:18 PM Post #15
Posts: 817 Group: Member Member #5,616 Joined: January 11, 2011	Well for me it goes like I wrote in the other thread. Dependent on Basse power. Around 3 million: 50x Around 15 million: 20x Around 200 million: 10x, which can increase to 30-40x for a Full Power Super Saiyan/USSj Around 6 billion: 5x for FPSSj.



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