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Your most unpopular DBZ belief ?
Topic Started: Mar 29 2013, 02:15 PM (6,578 Views)
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TheACE
Mar 31 2013, 05:20 PM
I don't even know what a Kuuhan/Gokhan would look like. I assume largely the same, maybe just a fusion of their hair ???

Oh here's a good one. I don't think Present Trunks is a Natural Super Saiyan, or that NSSJ is a thing. The timeline just isn't consistent with that belief.
You mean Mastered Super Saiyan? He displayed all the traits.
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Mar 31 2013, 05:25 PM
TheACE
Mar 31 2013, 05:20 PM
I don't even know what a Kuuhan/Gokhan would look like. I assume largely the same, maybe just a fusion of their hair ???

Oh here's a good one. I don't think Present Trunks is a Natural Super Saiyan, or that NSSJ is a thing. The timeline just isn't consistent with that belief.
You mean Mastered Super Saiyan? He displayed all the traits.
Not Mastered/Full Power SSJ, Natural SSJ. The fallacy that indicated that Goten and Trunks in the "main" timeline magically achieved Super Saiyan just because their fathers were Super Saiyans before they were conceived and for no other reason. If that were true, even Pan and Bulla's lack of necessity to transform into Super Saiyans were completely irrelevant to them never transforming. Drives me nuts, it's poorly made plot cement that's supposed to fill a two mile deep plot hole. Ridiculous.
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Mastered and Natural are too different things. Mastered: Fully controlled.

Natural: Original. Isn't it?
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CritifyBlaster
Mar 31 2013, 05:55 PM
Mastered and Natural are too different things. Mastered: Fully controlled.

Natural: Original. Isn't it?
I guess.
Here's my "understanding" of the "Natural Super Saiyan Form" if you wanna call it a "form" or variant. I've been on other forums where posters are convinced that it's a different type of Super Saiyan. The Same level as Normal SSJ and it's not above SSJ, just a different variety. I never really got it or liked the idea, I was under impression that it was more commonly known and accepted than I thought. I guess it's just a weird concept from a now dark corner of the internet.
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CritifyBlaster
Mar 31 2013, 05:55 PM
Mastered and Natural are too different things. Mastered: Fully controlled.

Natural: Original. Isn't it?

What do you mean?
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TheACE
Mar 31 2013, 06:00 PM
CritifyBlaster
Mar 31 2013, 05:55 PM
Mastered and Natural are too different things. Mastered: Fully controlled.

Natural: Original. Isn't it?
I guess.
Here's my "understanding" of the "Natural Super Saiyan Form" if you wanna call it a "form" or variant. I've been on other forums where posters are convinced that it's a different type of Super Saiyan. The Same level as Normal SSJ and it's not above SSJ, just a different variety. I never really got it or liked the idea, I was under impression that it was more commonly known and accepted than I thought. I guess it's just a weird concept from a now dark corner of the internet.
Still not clear to me

Can u plz elaborate it even more ?
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TheACE
Mar 31 2013, 06:00 PM
CritifyBlaster
Mar 31 2013, 05:55 PM
Mastered and Natural are too different things. Mastered: Fully controlled.

Natural: Original. Isn't it?
I guess.
Here's my "understanding" of the "Natural Super Saiyan Form" if you wanna call it a "form" or variant. I've been on other forums where posters are convinced that it's a different type of Super Saiyan. The Same level as Normal SSJ and it's not above SSJ, just a different variety. I never really got it or liked the idea, I was under impression that it was more commonly known and accepted than I thought. I guess it's just a weird concept from a now dark corner of the internet.
Still not clear to me

Can u plz elaborate it even more ?
I'll do my best DSB.

I suppose in addition to my previous comments and description, the "Natural" Super Saiyan transformation implicates that Goten and Trunks ability to transform into Super Saiyans without the pain of loss or calm hearts is sort of a reflex so to speak. Just a natural in born ability that they've had free access too from the start and that's why they required no training. They just ineherited a free version of super saiyan.

An illustration. Gohan and Future Trunks went to the dealership and purchased a Camaro (Their Super Saiyan Form) with money (Training) they earned.
Goten and present Trunks just got "Camaros" because their parents gave them to them and had to do absolutely nothing to earn the right to own a vehicle (Or Legendary power in this case)

Distincitly Different from the Mastered State when the user simply has full control over his/her Super Saiyan Transformation, and doesn't use nearly as much energy transforming so that they can perform at a higher level in battle.

The Natural SSJ state has no other differences from the "Regular" SSJ state other than general ease of initial activation. Nothing more. At least as far as I can tell.

I hate the concept and think it's complete BS, and I really think it's poorly mixed plot cement made to try and patch a 2 mile hole in continuity that has little to no place in the story.

Does that help clear up a fuzzy fallacy of a concept? (Can you tell I really don't like the idea of a Natural Super Saiyan?)
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Thanks , i got it now

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really think it's poorly mixed plot cement made to try and patch a 2 mile hole in continuity that has little to no place in the story.


Well , yes , i agree
But then again , it does make sense . Gaining the Ability to Go SSj by birth is not really vague . Trunks may be another case , but Goten was conceived as the child of a person who was a SSj .

Lets take SSj as a genetic disease / Asset . It flows into the blood of ur children after u get it .
There is nothing of Potential in this.

Maybe u dont like it becoz such a legendary transformation becomes the "Birthright" of the kids .
The Fathers earned it after going through a lot .
The kids got it just becoz its "Genetic"

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This is something i came up with years ago.

Goku has a trait for long hair but it's recessive and skips a generation (Gohan's hair when he grows it out looks awfully like Raditz)
Leading me to believe Goku's mom must of had the hair Raditz had.
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Apr 1 2013, 07:12 AM

Well , yes , i agree
But then again , it does make sense . Gaining the Ability to Go SSj by birth is not really vague . Trunks may be another case , but Goten was conceived as the child of a person who was a SSj .

Lets take SSj as a genetic disease / Asset . It flows into the blood of ur children after u get it .
There is nothing of Potential in this.

Maybe u dont like it becoz such a legendary transformation becomes the "Birthright" of the kids .
The Fathers earned it after going through a lot .
The kids got it just becoz its "Genetic"



You are correct, I hate the idea specifically because it is degrading the legendary transformation and I think it really downplays everything that Goku, Future Trunks and the rest went through in the previous 3 seasons. And it's kind of a cop out, way to kill the importance of a concept eh?

InkStains_Suck
Apr 1 2013, 07:22 AM
This is something i came up with years ago.

Goku has a trait for long hair but it's recessive and skips a generation (Gohan's hair when he grows it out looks awfully like Raditz)
Leading me to believe Goku's mom must of had the hair Raditz had.


This I can dig actually. We don't know what Goku's mother looked like, or Raditz's mother, or if they were even the same Saiyan. We're just sure that Bardock is the Father of Goku... and Raditz apparently. So yeah, I'm willing to beelieve that. Though Saiyan-Human Hybrids aren't limited to a single hairstyle anyway so it might not matter, but sure Radtiz' Mom can certainly have long hair too.
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Raditz is Vegeta's brother , and Nappa is Goku's brother. I thought you guys knew that ^

I think Humans Android Arc are above 50% Frieza, and they are relevant enough to help the A Team.
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That Goten and Trunks don't deserve the hate they get for having SSJ when Vegeta and F Trunks are the ones that killed the SSJ's legendary status.
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^ vegeta isnt the one to Kill that status , F Trunks is the 1st
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Apr 1 2013, 12:32 PM
^ vegeta isnt the one to Kill that status , F Trunks is the 1st
Trunks shot the status in the foot and then Vegeta came and slit it's throat. Then Gohan pee'd on the grave.

I'm not saying they shouldn't have got the forms just that Goten and Kid Trunks get too much hate for being SSJs.
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When main character powers up, its a must to grow their hair. [ According to most mangas ]
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