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Goku GT (SSJ2) Vs Hirudegarn (2nd form)
Topic Started: Mar 25 2013, 07:58 PM (1,895 Views)
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Super 17 arc SSj goku one shots Hirudigarn
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GT overpowers the characters greatly. Base BoGT Goku = SSj3 Z Goku. So SSj2 Goku in the Super #17 arc would probably be around Vegito. He whips this insect around.
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Mar 25 2013, 11:01 PM
GT overpowers the characters greatly. Base BoGT Goku = SSj3 Z Goku. So SSj2 Goku in the Super #17 arc would probably be around Vegito. He whips this insect around.
There is a lot more to it than that.
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Mar 25 2013, 09:57 PM
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Mar 25 2013, 09:36 PM
I smell what you're stepping in.

Now.. How come Vegeta couldn't do that, eh? At the very least. That's what I want to know now.
You won't successfully turn this on me until you've come to terms with Goku's performance.

Episode 46
Time: 5m
Context: Super No.17 just blocked Goku's punch to the gut
Super No.17: "You're letting me down at this level. I can see...through all of your moves."

Super #17 was testing Goku, so to speak.

Episode 46
Time: 7m25s
Context: Goku's rapid fire blasts had no effect on Super No.17
Goku: "Geez, what's going on? Those should have all been direct hits! Didn't that have any effect on you at all?"

Episode 46
Time: around 8m15s
Context: After Goku's Kamehameha
Goku: "Shoot your big mouth off, will you? Saying you can see through me? Did you feel any of that?!"
Super No.17: "Not at all..."

I do not remember which of Goku's attacks were actually absorbed, but nothing Goku did made a scratch on him. Goku's one punch doesn't negate all of the evidence against him.

At least Vegeta got a compliment from the android himself.

Episode 45
Time: around 15m
Context: Super No.17 is about to finish Vegeta off
Vegeta: "I-I can't move! I-is this where it ends? My...my power..."
Doctor Mu: "You shouldn't blame yourself so much. You've hung in there well, I'll commend you for that."
I see now, my lord.
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SSJ goku>>SSJ vegeta>>Majuub>Super vegito

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Super Saiyan Vegetto got passed up so quickly that it's astounding.
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Darth Pyrus
Mar 25 2013, 09:57 PM
You won't successfully turn this on me until you've come to terms with Goku's performance.
Episode 46
Time: 5m
Context: Super No.17 just blocked Goku's punch to the gut
Super No.17: "You're letting me down at this level. I can see...through all of your moves."

Super #17 was testing Goku, so to speak.

Episode 46
Time: 7m25s
Context: Goku's rapid fire blasts had no effect on Super No.17
Goku: "Geez, what's going on? Those should have all been direct hits! Didn't that have any effect on you at all?"

Episode 46
Time: around 8m15s
Context: After Goku's Kamehameha
Goku: "Shoot your big mouth off, will you? Saying you can see through me? Did you feel any of that?!"
Super No.17: "Not at all..."

I do not remember which of Goku's attacks were actually absorbed, but nothing Goku did made a scratch on him. Goku's one punch doesn't negate all of the evidence against him.

At least Vegeta got a compliment from the android himself.
Episode 45
Time: around 15m
Context: Super No.17 is about to finish Vegeta off
Vegeta: "I-I can't move! I-is this where it ends? My...my power..."
Doctor Mu: "You shouldn't blame yourself so much. You've hung in there well, I'll commend you for that."
Vegeta was getting a compliment from Mu, not #17. Plus, Vegeta was only hanging in better than the rest of the Zet-Senshi, which didn't include Goku.
There's not much to say that Super #17 used any less effort against Vegeta than he did against Goku, as he didn't seem to be taking the Zet-Senshi seriously. IIRC, Super #17 buffed up slightly when he absorbed Goku's Kamehameha, which he didn't when absorbing Vegeta's Final Shine Attack. Then again, he buffed up when absorbing #18's ki blasts, so that evidence is shaky.
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Leave it to me to misread my own evidence. Still, it's a compliment nonetheless.

I can't be arsed to go back upstairs and check to see what and when #17 absorbed people's attacks, but I do think he absorbed Goku's Kame beam. That was his main target, after all.

So would there actually be any solid evidence for Goku?
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Episode 45
Time: around 18m25s
Context: Super No.17 just killed Gero
Super No.17: "You Earth folk are nothing but small fries. Let's take care of this planet quickly, and begin making preparations for taking over the entire galaxy, Doctor Mu-sama."
Doctor Mu: "You're right. So long as Son Goku is gone, there is nothing for us to fear."

Mu's estimations are already that Goku>>Vegeta. While Super #17 showed disappointment with SSJ Goku, it's not as if Mu completely contradicted his stance on Goku being above the rest.

Episode 46
Time: 9m25s
Context: Goku has been knocked into the sea
Doctor Mu: "Come on out, Goku! We know that you're not the kind of guy to give up after just that!"

Mu knows that Goku won't be beaten easily from #17's attacks, which is a compliment just like what he gave Vegeta.
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Mar 26 2013, 10:43 PM
Episode 45
Time: around 18m25s
Context: Super No.17 just killed Gero
Super No.17: "You Earth folk are nothing but small fries. Let's take care of this planet quickly, and begin making preparations for taking over the entire galaxy, Doctor Mu-sama."
Doctor Mu: "You're right. So long as Son Goku is gone, there is nothing for us to fear."

Mu's estimations are already that Goku>>Vegeta. While Super #17 showed disappointment with SSJ Goku, it's not as if Mu completely contradicted his stance on Goku being above the rest.

Episode 46
Time: 9m25s
Context: Goku has been knocked into the sea
Doctor Mu: "Come on out, Goku! We know that you're not the kind of guy to give up after just that!"

Mu knows that Goku won't be beaten easily from #17's attacks, which is a compliment just like what he gave Vegeta.
Well, yeah, Goku is clearly above Vegeta overall. It wasn't like Mu was only factoring in Goku's Super Saiyan power.
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Yet he hadn't witnessed a form beyond that, had no way of finding out about any other form, and showed this by having no idea Goku had SS4.
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Mar 26 2013, 10:57 PM
Yet he hadn't witnessed a form beyond that, had no way of finding out about any other form, and showed this by having no idea Goku had SS4.
He had no idea about Super Saiyan 2 or 3?
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Did he show any knowledge of this at all? Granted, Vegeta and Gohan had showcased such against Super #17, but given how minor the physical difference between that and SSJ was, he probably wouldn't have noticed, or just believe the ki increase to just be their full SSJ power. He also had no way of knowing about SS3 unless someone such as Gero told him about it (assuming that not all of the Boo Arc filler was entirely retconned), but we have nothing to say that such a conversation happened.
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Hirudegarn is buuhan level while base goku was having the upperhand against rildo who was stated to be stronger than majin buu, I believe he was talking abiut kid buu but gt follows anime and in the anime goku says that kid buu is on "a whole other level from any other majin boo" so base goku>=base rildo>anime kid buu>>>buuhan>hirudegarn, goku stomps
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Mar 30 2013, 02:09 PM
Hirudegarn is buuhan level while base goku was having the upperhand against rildo who was stated to be stronger than majin buu, I believe he was talking abiut kid buu but gt follows anime and in the anime goku says that kid buu is on "a whole other level from any other majin boo" so base goku>=base rildo>anime kid buu>>>buuhan>hirudegarn, goku stomps
Goku referring to the Anime Pure Boo can't be possible, as he would also be in a different league than Berserk Gohan Boo, who even SSJ Vegetto struggled against and referred to the situation as being "close". However, it isn't until Super Vegeta Baby appears that Goku states someone to have the strongest ki he'd ever sensed.
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