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What you Guys Think of the New PS4?
Topic Started: Feb 24 2013, 10:59 PM (2,352 Views)
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wow that RAM you linked was bad. Yes it was 8gb DDR3 but it's frequency was half of what my 6gb of DDR2 does :p

I hope that's not the kind of cheap ***** they put in this console, I really do because that's not gonna reduce lag.

But then this is Sony we're talking about. Anything to keep costs down.


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What are the graphics like?
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They were good but they didn't look mind blowing.


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Feb 27 2013, 06:07 PM
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Feb 27 2013, 05:57 PM
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Feb 27 2013, 05:33 PM
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Feb 27 2013, 06:32 AM
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Feb 26 2013, 04:35 PM
Well, it IS a console :p
That's no excuse, ram is dirt cheap
IT's not about how cheap it is. The thing is 8 gigs of RAM will run an game fine, on PC or console. I have 8 gigs of Memory in my PC and I can run every game on Ultra. It's about the speed of the RAM, not how many gigs it is.
8gb will be split between GPU and CPU. This is a weak weak console.


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8gbs runs for about 50 bucks, and anyone who dares tell me Sony will be running this ***** off new top-of-the-line ram kits is wrong. This is already dated technology considering they've been in R&D for years.


As for the cores, they very recently have been able to start working with quad-core and greater in terms of designing games for it. Consoles have yet to experiment with them.
Actually this is dedicated, the whole point of a dedicated card is that it has its own memory. So the GPU as stated in the Sony Release has its own GDDR5 memory. Then the rest of the memory the 8gigs ( probably DDR3 ) will be used for the rest of the system. All dedicated cards have their own memory, that's the point.


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CPU speed is important too. I have 6Gb of RAM but only have a 2.3Ghz Quad Core. Since most games don't yet utilise quad cores, that means I'm only using two of them at most for a game. So 4.6Ghz would be the theoretical max output from my CPU when running a game. Of course it's not even going to be that. Processing needs to be used in other areas of my PC as well as the game I'm playing. However, since I have four cores, more energy can be put into the game I'm playing whilst my computer also manages other tasks.

Point is, it doesn't seem very practical to have more than 4 cores in a machine right now. Especially in a console. Since it's primarily for gaming, do they really need 8 cores and how much are these 8 cores going to actually do?

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It's not only the gigs that matter either. Intel i3 cpu's can have up to 3.0Ghz not overclocked. I can guarantee an i5 2.4 is way faster than the i3. Every is obsseded with how much it has, it's not about the numbers, it's about the speed. 2.3Ghz means it can process 2.3Ghz total, it doesn't mean how fast it can processes it.

Also, yeah most games don't uses a lot of cores, the point of cores is multitasking. To be able to run programs in the background. I know the new Xbox is rumored to be able to run 2 games at the same time, this is definitely possible with 8 cores, and probably even 4 cores. So yeah, it's probably an over kill, but as explained above, big numbers means every gets hyped up.
They both will share the GDDR5. It's shared memory.

Also, with Sony I'm hesitant to take their word after Cell Processor shenanigans
No it's not....

Look GDDR5, the G stands for graphics. They don't even make cards with 8 gigs of GDDR5, or 4 in that matter, maybe top of the line 500 dollars cards have 4 gigs of GDDR5. You need to look up your facts, becasue you're wrong. Dedicated card means the Graphics card has its OWN memory. That's how dedicated cards work, it's the same with the PC.

My GPU has 2 gigs of GDDR5, it's a 300 dollar card. So you try an tell me that a 500 dollar console is going to have over a 300 dollar graphics card. It doesn't make sense.

The 8 gigs of memory the mentioned has nothing to do with the graphics card. Google search GDDR and see what ti says, it's graphics only.

Proof: http://www.ehow.com/about_5036027_gddr-sdram.html

"Despite its naming, GDDR3 SDRAM is not in any way based off the DDR3 SDRAM specification.
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That's just the first link I clicked, all of them will tell you the saem thing.
Seriously, look it up. They share the GDDR5 since both the CPU and GPU are combined on a Chip. They're not dedicated like traditional GPUs/CPUs that use their own. They share this.
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Feb 27 2013, 06:22 PM
Seriously, look it up. They share the GDDR5 since both the CPU and GPU are combined on a Chip. They're not dedicated like traditional GPUs/CPUs that use their own. They share this.
Looked it up, it's only rumors as of now, Sony hasn't confirmed that they'll share the memory.

Anyway, I was aware of this, either way it's still 8 gigs of memory, the gigs don't even play that big of a role. It's the speed and timing that it runs at that matters.
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Seriously, look it up. They share the GDDR5 since both the CPU and GPU are combined on a Chip. They're not dedicated like traditional GPUs/CPUs that use their own. They share this.
Looked it up, it's only rumors as of now, Sony hasn't confirmed that they'll share the memory.

Anyway, I was aware of this, either way it's still 8 gigs of memory, the gigs don't even play that big of a role. It's the speed and timing that it runs at that matters.
They're running a Jaguar core, I doubt it's just a rumor. This console will be easily $500+

Alot of the workload on the jaguar core will see the GPU getting a lot of work dumped on it from the CPU.


@Stud, The ram I linked is just an example. Just because it has the name of a type of memory doesn't mean it's going to be top of the line. Cutting corners is usually a good way of doing this. "Oh yeah, it's DDR3!"(From 6 years ago)
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Seriously, look it up. They share the GDDR5 since both the CPU and GPU are combined on a Chip. They're not dedicated like traditional GPUs/CPUs that use their own. They share this.
Looked it up, it's only rumors as of now, Sony hasn't confirmed that they'll share the memory.

Anyway, I was aware of this, either way it's still 8 gigs of memory, the gigs don't even play that big of a role. It's the speed and timing that it runs at that matters.
They're running a Jaguar core, I doubt it's just a rumor. This console will be easily $500+

Alot of the workload on the jaguar core will see the GPU getting a lot of work dumped on it from the CPU.


@Stud, The ram I linked is just an example. Just because it has the name of a type of memory doesn't mean it's going to be top of the line. Cutting corners is usually a good way of doing this. "Oh yeah, it's DDR3!"(From 6 years ago)
AMD just said today; "We have not built an APU quite like that for anyone else in the market. It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date"

So it does look like they'll be sharing everything if the system is using an APU.

Even so, fastest they've ever made? I think that's a good sign.

Also here is a comparison of the PS3 and the PS4

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Im REALLY looking forward to the PS4, ive always been a Playstation guy and this year it seems that they have made MASSIVE improvements in the system. I can't wait! (Maybe now Battlefield will allow more players at once on the consoles....)
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It all depends on the quality of the parts. Big numbers are impressive but if they don't work that well together then they might as well have put older hardware in it for all the good it will do. You have to think, well it's going to be mass produced which means it will be made fast and cheap. Good in some ways but that likely involves corner cutting in terms of quality. This isn't going to work as well as a custom computer with similar specifications for that reason.


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I was never a playstation guy until my parents brought me the ps3...

I was a nintendo guy...

I think the ps4 is going to be awesome..

I do agree that microsoft needs to be shooting stuff like a torrent pistol of sorts..

But I don't think they are that far back..

From what i have seen it isn't a major leap like the kind of leap you would expect when the playstation 3 made it's introduction and comparison to it's old counter part..

I'm expecting a lot of stuff from the ps4 and a lot of good hard ware to support it..

The graphics are brilliant but lets wait and see the future...

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The fact that this is one of the smallest leaps in terms of performance compared to previous next gen consoles, supports my arguement that consoles are dying. The way it's going, it seems like in the future they're not going to be able to improve the machines enough to make the investment worthwhile. They have to become modular in some way to survive.
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I honestly won't lie though. Consoles are one of the easiest ways for developers to make big splashes with Indie games/great new IPs. I'll admit I'm pretty excited for the PS4 if the hype is what it's building up to be. However I don't think this will be a good thing to fail like the PS3 did. I need to feel the epicness that these games are capable of.
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I think it all depends on what Micrsoft shows us. Wii u isn't selling well, so looks like everyone is holding out for Microsoft and Sony. Right now it seems Sony has the better exclusives plus free online play. So Micrsoft is going to have to show us something big if they want to stand a chance.
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Wii-u isn't selling well because they released it before having any exclusives I'd imagine. Besides Mario of course. I don't know why they couldn't wait until all the games were ready before releasing it. Unless they thought everyone loved Mario so much that hoards of people would flock to get one just for that?


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Yeah, the PS4 looks cool and all but I think consoles these days are trying too hard. I mean, the price range for this thing definitely has to be pretty high. In the state of the world economy today, it's not really justifiable nor practical. In case you have forgotten, the main appeal of the original Nintendo Wii was its affordability and wide audience range. Who cares if it had the strongest processor or memory? Nintendo certainly doesn't. I feel like a new approach or direction needs to be taken in the gaming industry in order to ensure it doesn't fail in the waning economy of today. Sony is already on the ropes last I heard, I'm not too sure about Nintendo.
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