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SSJ Bardock vs. Goku (Ginyu)
Topic Started: Feb 24 2013, 03:48 AM (1,374 Views)
sylentknyte
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Here are the Rules:

- Both characters can use all of their techniques.

Bardock:
Base - 13-15 thousand range, depending on anger and fatigue.
SSJ - 650-750 thousand range
Bardock just turned SSJ. He is angry, ready to kill, and loses control to rage at times. Fatigue steadily declines at a medium rate. If he loses SSJ due to fatigue, he can either go Ozaru, or have one last shot at SSJ (half power).

Goku:
Base - 90 thousand
Can 2-4x Kaioken comfortably (180-360 k)
5-6x KK medium stress (450-540 k)
7-8x higher stress (630-720 k) - a little more stress depletion than Bardocks SSJ.
9x- a one shot deal, will nearly kill him (like 4x in the Saiyan Saga) (810 k)
Goku's fatigue variates depending on his KK usage. He treats Bardock the same way he treated Turles; less ruthless but also ready to incapacitate/kill.

Goku knows the stakes and takes the fight seriously from the get-go (no Bardo automatically kills him). Bardock is SSJ from the start.

Battle takes place on Namek (neither can blow up the planet). Who wins?
Edited by sylentknyte, Feb 24 2013, 03:49 AM.
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Bardock is SSJ from the start? If so Bardock won't let Goku power up, he'll just mercilessly defeat him, Bardock stomps Goku easily on this.
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Feb 24 2013, 03:53 AM
Bardock is SSJ from the start? If so Bardock won't let Goku power up, he'll just mercilessly defeat him, Bardock stomps Goku easily on this.
Alright, let's redefine. Bardock is powering up to SSJ, which may take a few minutes. At that time he's untouchable. Goku has time to KK x6 by the time Bardock is done, and can change his KK rate quickly as the fight goes.

KKx 4-5 is enough to avoid Bardocks onslaught for a few minutes. At x6 he can put up some defense, block some attacks, and fight back a little. x7-8, they're in an more equal range, with the power and aggressive advantage to Bardock, and the strategy and technique advantage to Goku.
Edited by sylentknyte, Feb 24 2013, 04:03 AM.
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Interesting. If he can manage to maintain a 9-10x, he will be able to win, but it will probably kill himself as a price.
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Feb 24 2013, 04:20 AM
Interesting. If he can manage to maintain a 9-10x, he will be able to win, but it will probably kill himself as a price.
10x isn't an option in this fight. Although Goku could probably do it at the time, it kills the close match-up. x9 is his max, and it can only be used for a short burst of energy. If he fails with that quick birst of energy, he's dead.
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IIRC, the TV special said that Bardock was close to 10,000 already, and then you have to factor in a possible zenkai he got after being healed when he's sent to the past. So at minimum his SSj would be close to 500,000. This would put SSj Bardock up there near Freeza (first form) and post-Reacoom fight Vegeta.

When Ginyu tried to use Goku's full power all he could draw out was 23,000; that's only a quarter of his full power. Even if he could tap into all of Goku's power I doubt he'd have the inherent knowledge of how to use the Kaio-ken, so at best he's making it to 90,000.

So basically this boils down to Freeza/Vegeta vs. Goku arriving on Namek, and I think we all know how that'd go.

Edit: Realized I misunderstood the thread. If this is Goku (not Ginyu-Goku), then Goku could win this depending entirely on if Bardock got a zenkai before becoming a SSj. I've only read the special once so I don't remember. If he does not then Goku will take this because he'd be almost 2x as strong as Bardock.

I think there's a big misunderstanding happening here though. It looks like you guys are saying that Goku can only use the first few levels of Kaio-ken as effortlessly as he used normal Kaio-ken on Vegeta. This isn't the case. We see during the fight with Freeza that Goku's maximum multiplier that he could handle was 20x the normal Kaio-ken. Also of importance are the statements: When Goku said he could handle the Kaio-ken x10 before he arrived on Namek, Tenshinhan's agreeing later on that Goku could handle this level (x10) and Kaio's response that Goku is already using the x10 Kaio-ken.
Edited by Tyro, Feb 24 2013, 05:07 AM.
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^ I realize it's possible that Goku could get to KKx20 at that point. In the rules I limited the KK to 9x to make the battle interesting.
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sylentknyte
Feb 24 2013, 03:55 AM
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Feb 24 2013, 03:53 AM
Bardock is SSJ from the start? If so Bardock won't let Goku power up, he'll just mercilessly defeat him, Bardock stomps Goku easily on this.
Alright, let's redefine. Bardock is powering up to SSJ, which may take a few minutes. At that time he's untouchable. Goku has time to KK x6 by the time Bardock is done, and can change his KK rate quickly as the fight goes.

KKx 4-5 is enough to avoid Bardocks onslaught for a few minutes. At x6 he can put up some defense, block some attacks, and fight back a little. x7-8, they're in an more equal range, with the power and aggressive advantage to Bardock, and the strategy and technique advantage to Goku.
Super Saiyan from the start <--- Kaioken x6 Goku can put up some defense okay but Bardocks Super Saiyan won't be that weak now would it? Bardock would do multiple Ki blasts in order to annihilate an enemy, saiyans.
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