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| + Pyrus | Feb 22 2013, 05:04 PM Post #16 |
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Agreed. Some things just can't work out. |
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| lunar2 | Feb 22 2013, 07:19 PM Post #17 |
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13 yo marron >>> 13 yo krillin >>> mr. satan. this is a rule of DB, that is not in any way contradicted with marron and krillin. the child will surpass the parent at an equivalent age. always, no exceptions. #18 <<< base goku. the gap between marron and #18 will be hundreds of times smaller than the gap between goku and mr. satan, even if marron has never trained a day in her life. #17 is only a little stronger than #18 to begin with, and #18 seems to be the smarter of the two of them, anyway. also, goku doesn't know crap about potara. old kai was talking about goku and gohan fusing to beat buutenks. base goku, and ultimate gohan. think about that for a second. old kai's opinion >>> goku's opinion, because goku only knows metamoran fusion, whereas old kai is actually a potara fusion himself. |
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Feb 22 2013, 07:26 PM Post #18 |
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Have you bothered to think about the implications of a cyborg fusing with another person via magic? For all we know, it could nullify the cyborg part of 18 and all that'd be left is a pitifully weak human fusion. I don't have a basis for that claim, but it's something to consider. 17 still wins here in my eyes. |
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| lunar2 | Feb 22 2013, 07:39 PM Post #19 |
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i don't think that would be a problem. the potara isn't implied to have any limits like that. it always works, unlike the fusion dance. and #18's cybernetics are patterned after organic tissues, anyway, so there shouldn't be a problem. |
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| + Clearin | Feb 22 2013, 08:13 PM Post #20 |
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Well Goku implies fusing with a really weak person may make you weaker so I can't see #18 winning this as I don't think Marron is anything less than an ordinary 3 (or was it 5?) year old girl. |
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| lunar2 | Feb 22 2013, 08:33 PM Post #21 |
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time period wasn't specified, so i assumed this was EoZ, where marron is at least stronger than roshi. and, again. what goku thinks doesn't matter, because old kai specifically wanted goku to fuse with gohan, who is much more powerful. a potara fighter will always be stronger than either of its components, because nothing credible states otherwise (goku isn't credible on this one). |
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| + Clearin | Feb 22 2013, 08:40 PM Post #22 |
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Wait where did EOZ say Marron was stronger than Roshi o.O Also why does it matter that Old Kai wanted Goku to fuse with Gohan? The point I was making was Goku when he thought he had to fuse with Mr Satan. Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong. |
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| lunar2 | Feb 22 2013, 08:53 PM Post #23 |
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he's wrong. gohan is massively stronger than goku. potara would make gokan stronger than gohan. therefore potara doesn't care about power gaps. @marron. generational rule. the child will be stronger than the parent was at the same age. its consistent across the entire manga, and never once contradicted. which is why we don't need a statement saying marron is strong, we would need one saying she is normal, because the default state for the child of a strong fighter is that they are strong, as well. marron is 13 at EoZ. krillin was 13 at 21st budokai. marron >>> krillin (21st budokai) < roshi (21st budokai). marron >> roshi |
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Feb 22 2013, 09:21 PM Post #24 |
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Marron being >> Roshi means nothing and you're apply a Saiyan rule to Humans. You'd need a potara multiplier to say without a shadow of a doubt that the fusion would be stronger. And that's not mentioning the cybernetic issues, such as 18's cybernetic parts rejecting the new body. Which is a mere possibility, but since this topic is full of them, I'd put it out there. |
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| + Clearin | Feb 22 2013, 09:22 PM Post #25 |
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Maybe Potara only cares about power gaps if the power gap is bigger than the gap between Goku and Gohan... And the gap between Mr Satan and even base Goku is already muuu~uch wider than that. Also I only believe facts if they are presented as facts. Marron does not have a single factual statement about her strength so to me she could be anywhere. |
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| lunar2 | Feb 22 2013, 09:31 PM Post #26 |
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that's not a saiyan rule, though. frieza > king cold. videl > hercule. piccolo jr. > piccolo daimao. what cybernetic issues? you just made that up to have something to argue. @potara. pure speculation on your part. goku is wrong, simple as that. he's thinking about the fusion dance because he doesn't know crap about potara. @marron. well, if marron can be anywhere, then i have her > #17 on her own. there, problem solved. we either work with what we are given (the 100% consistent, never once contradicted generational rule) or we throw out completely unsupported claims (cybernetic issues; we don't see marron fight so she must not have any training and she's just a normal human). |
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Feb 22 2013, 09:34 PM Post #27 |
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Yes it is, when you apply the age logic. Otherwise, these examples are pure conjecture and contradictory.
Yeah, I just pulled it out of my *****. Because it totally makes sense for cyborgs to fuse 100% successfully with humans through magic. |
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| + Clearin | Feb 22 2013, 09:34 PM Post #28 |
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Of course it's pure speculation, I never claimed it was anything other than that. That's why I said "Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong" we don't know. I don't care where people put Marron as she's never given an indication of strength. I said "I think she's...." for a reason - Because it's what I think. I'll never try claim something's a fact without a manga statement/visual proof. |
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| + Emmeth | Feb 22 2013, 09:41 PM Post #29 |
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This genetic thing is not full-proof. Different circumstances and different times is the reason why the children were stronger. We saw Gohan, Goten and Trunks train, and Marron doesn't seem like the fighting type to me. They lived in a time of peace. |
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| lunar2 | Feb 22 2013, 09:52 PM Post #30 |
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nope. neither conjecture nor contradictory. frieza at ? > king cold at ?+?. videl at 16 > satan at any age. piccolo jr. at 3 years old > daimao at several hundred years old with his youth restored. that much is fact. the rule is not specific to saiyans, it's not even specific to DB. it's a general rule of fiction. @potara. yeah, it does totally make sense. it makes as much sense as the fusiondoes in general. you know why? it's magic. Edited by lunar2, Feb 22 2013, 09:53 PM.
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