Sasuke Uchiha vs Future Trunks vs Yoh Asakura (Sword battle only)

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Sasuke Uchiha vs Future Trunks vs Yoh Asakura (Sword battle only)
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Cal	Feb 22 2013, 04:47 PM Post #31
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	supersaqer Feb 22 2013, 04:44 PM Did I say only Hypersonic? I said MASSIVELY HYPERSONIC+. HST Top Tiers are in the double digits (well, below MHS, but HS+). He said halved his physical strength, and his durability is human level. Trunks easily beats both of them in the same time. Quote: Trunks cannot go Super Saiyan. Trunks may only use his sword and basic Melee Trunks' power is restricted, he cannot hit hard enough to send Sasuke flying. Trunks is allowed to use flight and is at half of his full speed. This is more of a sword battle. You're assuming too much. Powerscaling Trunks speed may be one thing but there's no way after it's cut in half he's going to be massively faster than Sasuke. Just not realistic at all especially considering this is his base. At full speed you could make that argument, not at half from his base. Edited by Cal, Feb 22 2013, 04:49 PM.



+ supersaqer	Feb 22 2013, 06:21 PM Post #32
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Cal Feb 22 2013, 04:47 PM supersaqer Feb 22 2013, 04:44 PM Did I say only Hypersonic? I said MASSIVELY HYPERSONIC+. HST Top Tiers are in the double digits (well, below MHS, but HS+). He said halved his physical strength, and his durability is human level. Trunks easily beats both of them in the same time. Quote: Trunks cannot go Super Saiyan. Trunks may only use his sword and basic Melee Trunks' power is restricted, he cannot hit hard enough to send Sasuke flying. Trunks is allowed to use flight and is at half of his full speed. This is more of a sword battle. You're assuming too much. Powerscaling Trunks speed may be one thing but there's no way after it's cut in half he's going to be massively faster than Sasuke. Just not realistic at all especially considering this is his base. At full speed you could make that argument, not at half from his base. Then why not just equalize everything but the skills and experience? Half speed is no problemo. Goku flew from the other half to where Vegeta and co where in a few seconds or even less. Taking in consideration Namek's size, Goku would be relativistic, and Trunks is faster. Divide the number by 2, and you'd get at the very least MHS+. None has a chance here. Edited by supersaqer, Feb 22 2013, 06:21 PM.
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Cal	Feb 22 2013, 06:22 PM Post #33
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	Yet again you're making baseless assumptions based of an anime time frame (whilst funny isn't accurate).



jonte9195	Feb 22 2013, 06:31 PM Post #34
RAT-TAT-TAT-TAT Posts: 1,326 Group: Member Member #8,099 Joined: August 10, 2012	Cal Feb 22 2013, 06:22 PM Yet again you're making baseless assumptions based of an anime time frame (whilst funny isn't accurate). This is the Anime Section....
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+ supersaqer	Feb 22 2013, 06:38 PM Post #35
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Cal Feb 22 2013, 06:22 PM Yet again you're making baseless assumptions based of an anime time frame (whilst funny isn't accurate). Spoiler: click to toggle In the manga, it looks that it took an instant to a few seconds.
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Cal	Feb 22 2013, 06:41 PM Post #36
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	jonte9195 Feb 22 2013, 06:31 PM Cal Feb 22 2013, 06:22 PM Yet again you're making baseless assumptions based of an anime time frame (whilst funny isn't accurate). This is the Anime Section.... Do you think that makes time frames in anime canon....? supersaqer Feb 22 2013, 06:38 PM Cal Feb 22 2013, 06:22 PM Yet again you're making baseless assumptions based of an anime time frame (whilst funny isn't accurate). Spoiler: click to toggle In the manga, it looks that it took an instant to a few seconds. What does that picture have to do with anything? As been stated many times and a rule in our old Other VS Section you can't scale a manga or use time frames from an anime unless it's specified.



+ supersaqer	Feb 22 2013, 06:43 PM Post #37
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Cal Feb 22 2013, 06:41 PM jonte9195 Feb 22 2013, 06:31 PM Cal Feb 22 2013, 06:22 PM Yet again you're making baseless assumptions based of an anime time frame (whilst funny isn't accurate). This is the Anime Section.... Do you think that makes time frames in anime canon....? supersaqer Feb 22 2013, 06:38 PM Cal Feb 22 2013, 06:22 PM Yet again you're making baseless assumptions based of an anime time frame (whilst funny isn't accurate). Spoiler: click to toggle In the manga, it looks that it took an instant to a few seconds. What does that picture have to do with anything? As been stated many times and a rule in our old Other VS Section you can't scale a manga or use time frames from an anime unless it's specified. There's no such a rule here. You can use logical calcs here such as Tao's speed. He's over 14 Mach which *****s on anything beside the top tiers in Naruto. Also Tao's strength was calculated in the low millions of tons . If you made this Ninja Murusaki, it'd be better
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Cal	Feb 22 2013, 06:48 PM Post #38
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	As a note that's not confirmed at all. I know some of us have a problem using canon material, but I will leave you with the stated travel speed for Base Gohan in Buu arc before his Ultimate form which was around Mach 4. --- I'm out before the thread gets ruined by nonsense. Edited by Cal, Feb 22 2013, 06:48 PM.



+ supersaqer	Feb 22 2013, 07:10 PM Post #39
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Cal Feb 22 2013, 06:48 PM As a note that's not confirmed at all. I know some of us have a problem using canon material, but I will leave you with the stated travel speed for Base Gohan in Buu arc before his Ultimate form which was around Mach 4. --- I'm out before the thread gets ruined by nonsense. Another inconsistent. Even Akira stated that his series is full of inconsistent.
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lunar2	Feb 22 2013, 07:35 PM Post #40
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	base gohan in the buu arc has a top speed of 3000 kph. that's less than mach 3. he was shown flying relatively low to the ground, while tao was flying through the upper atmosphere (no ground shown anywhere around him). trying to base speed scales of tao is a mistake, because he was not using ordinary flight. @the scan. that's not a DB manga page, that's a page from shonen jump magazine. it's not even made by AT, so it's absolutely meaningless. the fight started right outside the ship. they didn't travel to fight. the fight would have ended within a couple miles of the ship because of the fight drifting, but no further than that. so, buu arc base gohan ~ mach 2.5 cell games base future trunks probably ~ mach 3 yes, i have gohan losing that much power in the seven year gap. i had to to make pui pui and yakon work. cut trunks' speed in 1/2, and he's still capable of moving at mach 1.5. his fighting speed (the speed he can move individual parts of his body to attack or dodge, rather than moving his entire body to travel) is still going to be hypersonic.
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Cal	Feb 22 2013, 07:38 PM Post #41
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	lunar2 Feb 22 2013, 07:35 PM base gohan in the buu arc has a top speed of 3000 kph. that's less than mach 3. he was shown flying relatively low to the ground, while tao was flying through the upper atmosphere (no ground shown anywhere around him). trying to base speed scales of tao is a mistake, because he was not using ordinary flight. @the scan. that's not a DB manga page, that's a page from shonen jump magazine. it's not even made by AT, so it's absolutely meaningless. the fight started right outside the ship. they didn't travel to fight. the fight would have ended within a couple miles of the ship because of the fight drifting, but no further than that. so, buu arc base gohan ~ mach 2.5 cell games base future trunks probably ~ mach 3 yes, i have gohan losing that much power in the seven year gap. i had to to make pui pui and yakon work. cut trunks' speed in 1/2, and he's still capable of moving at mach 1.5. his fighting speed (the speed he can move individual parts of his body to attack or dodge, rather than moving his entire body to travel) is still going to be hypersonic. I don't know DBZ calcs well and can admit that but if he's only as fast as that, then we put him in base, then we cut it in half.... Sasuke is going to be superior in speed and reflexes. Pretty simple there, assuming you're correct.



+ supersaqer	Feb 22 2013, 08:25 PM Post #42
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Cal Feb 22 2013, 07:38 PM lunar2 Feb 22 2013, 07:35 PM base gohan in the buu arc has a top speed of 3000 kph. that's less than mach 3. he was shown flying relatively low to the ground, while tao was flying through the upper atmosphere (no ground shown anywhere around him). trying to base speed scales of tao is a mistake, because he was not using ordinary flight. @the scan. that's not a DB manga page, that's a page from shonen jump magazine. it's not even made by AT, so it's absolutely meaningless. the fight started right outside the ship. they didn't travel to fight. the fight would have ended within a couple miles of the ship because of the fight drifting, but no further than that. so, buu arc base gohan ~ mach 2.5 cell games base future trunks probably ~ mach 3 yes, i have gohan losing that much power in the seven year gap. i had to to make pui pui and yakon work. cut trunks' speed in 1/2, and he's still capable of moving at mach 1.5. his fighting speed (the speed he can move individual parts of his body to attack or dodge, rather than moving his entire body to travel) is still going to be hypersonic. I don't know DBZ calcs well and can admit that but if he's only as fast as that, then we put him in base, then we cut it in half.... Sasuke is going to be superior in speed and reflexes. Pretty simple there, assuming you're correct. Well, I'm going to cry out loud again. I know that Sasuke was nearly the speed of sound since part 1, and he's obviously Hypersonic now, at least reflexes wise, but Tao is calculated over 14 Mach. The Pillar it self was calculated at 14 mach, and Tao out sped it when he jumped. Ninja Murusaki would do good things here, let alone Future Trunks.... Do you like to see the calculation? At lunar, Tao out sped the 14 mach moving pillar. He should be at least 14 mach, too. But I tend to say over 14 mach to not cause problems. I'll bring the calculation if you wanted, too.
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Cal	Feb 22 2013, 08:31 PM Post #43
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	I don't want the calc. It's ridiculous for me to consider a fan made calc based on manga scaling canon when compared to stated distances and time like Lunar provided.



Arkadom	Feb 22 2013, 08:38 PM Post #44
Bargle nawdle zouss Posts: 3,774 Group: Member Member #5,620 Joined: January 12, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Naruto, Shaman King What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Shaman King, Naruto, Blue Exorcist, Bleach, Pokemon Adventures	I don't think it really matters how fast Trunks goes, if either of his opponents hit him once he would die, especially considering Sasuke's ruthlessness(Always goes for the kill) and Yoh's sheer expertise, with the guidance of Amidamaru (Yoh's spirit guardian) Yoh does not need to see, he can fight and react based on Amidamaru's orders and command, and considering he is a spirit and has been shown to be able to move very, very quickly (His speed seemingly could not be calculated.) Amidamaru would be able to sense an incoming attack, or even simply movement around him. This is the reason I gave Yoh his full power range, otherwise he would not stand a chance, however just with the simple addition of Amidamaru he is easily on even ground with the others, if not given an advantage. Secondly, Trunks himself, as I previously mentioned, with regular durability, it does not matter how fast he moves, this is sword combat, no matter how fast Trunks moves, it won't matter, he won't win by just dashing around. And finally, with Sasuke, he can extend his sword with chidori, that in itself is a pretty big deal for Trunks and Yoh. It seems to have been lost somewhere that this is a sword clash, thats close combat, and all 3 of them are about equal, there is no instant win here....
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lunar2	Feb 22 2013, 08:40 PM Post #45
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	i don't care about the damn calculation. anything that states mercenary tao is capable of hypersonic or even supersonic speeds at normal altitudes is wrong. later numbers contradict the possibility of that feat, and so it didn't happen the way you think it did. you have no clue how fast the pillar was moving, because you don't know if tao accelerated it after he boarded. tao is a crane school master. bukujutsu is the crane school's signature technique. therefore tao knows bukujutsu. i think the pillar was just to conserve ki getting altitude, and then he accelerated once he was in the thin air. wind resistance really does play a role in their speed, which is why ssj pre rosat gotenks is the fastest character in the entire manga. because he flew in space, something no one else did. high altitude travel is not useful in determining speed.
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