The "Cell team" vs the SSJ team

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The "Cell team" vs the SSJ team
Tweet Topic Started: Feb 15 2013, 04:16 AM (1,274 Views)
+ miguelnuva	Feb 15 2013, 06:06 AM Post #16
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	1. The gap between Goku and Vegeta is never implied to be a literal gap but I won't argue this. 2. Vegeta wonders what the gap is between him and Gohan is and then latter at the Budokai and then when Gohan is fighting Dabra, Vegeta's reactions are from someone who would not expect Gohan to have lost as much power as he did but Gohan is still around CG Goku level. 3. The only thing that makes Goku close to Gohan is the Piccolo quote where he compares Vegeta to Kid Gohan but at the same time compares Kid Gohan to Teen Gohan. When someone is dwarfed by another power in DBZ it is hard to tell what that power is other than it is big. 4. The saiyans(namely Vegeta) always surpass their benchmark by the next saga unless it is stated they got weaker or didn't gain any power at all. Vegeta's benchmarks were Kid Gohan, SPC and ultimately Goku. 5. Vegeta and Goku imply that Dabra who is around the Cell that fought Goku was inferior to their MSSJ forms and that SSJ2 would blow Dabara out the water. PM Vegeta> Kid Gohan but a tiny gap isn't that hard to believe.
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~~DSB~~	Feb 15 2013, 06:12 AM Post #17
The Showstopper Posts: 3,850 Group: Suspended Member #8,626 Joined: November 29, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox 16 Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Brofist Feb 15 2013, 05:34 AM It's really hard to have Gohan at 80% with that and then have Cell be weaker than him though. It would mean that there would be a 1.25x difference between SSj2 Kid Gohan and SPC. That's the kind of difference you have between people one shotting each other. A gap like that wouldn't allow SPC to damage Gohan as much as he did unguarded or not unfortunately. Quote: but ur power chain is ... giving SPC Way more power than he actually has Why not? He's already shown he's got the power now to greviously harm Gohan's body, something he wasn'te ven able to do before hand. One single attack literally docked Gohan's power down to less than half, it says a lot of the increase for Cell. I see no reason why Cell shouldn't at least Rival Gohan with Gohan of course having the overall edge in power. Wait ... U are saying that there is not much difference between SPC And SSj2 Gohan , right ? Gohan himself stated that he had lost his will to fight [which leads to the loss of Rage Boost] and more than 50% of his Power He was almost defeated by FP SPC's Solar Kamehameha , but just managed to hold on ... when SPC was distracted ... he got his Rage Boost back and killed SPC IF u say that SSj2 Gohan = 1.001 x SPC [or something like that] , it contradicts the material in the Manga U cant say [or prove] that Gohan got back 100% Of his Full Power Magically and without getting healed If there was NOT a BIG difference , SPC would not have been killed even after getting Distracted.
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+ miguelnuva	Feb 15 2013, 06:17 AM Post #18
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	@DSB SSJ2 was the rage boost they weren't separate.
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~~GridZero~~	Feb 15 2013, 06:18 AM Post #19
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	Cell came back to fight after admitting inferiority to Gohan as Full Power Perfect Cell and says that SSJ2 won't work so well for Gohan because he's SPC. He also says he's powered up like Son Gohan. They're close rivals.



~~DSB~~	Feb 15 2013, 06:19 AM Post #20
The Showstopper Posts: 3,850 Group: Suspended Member #8,626 Joined: November 29, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox 16 Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	miguelnuva Feb 15 2013, 06:17 AM @DSB SSJ2 was the rage boost they weren't separate. Wrong His rage made him transform and his Rage Boost gave him even more power If SSj2 was his Rage boost ... he would not have stayed as SSj2 when he lost his will to fight
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+ miguelnuva	Feb 15 2013, 06:22 AM Post #21
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	DSB Feb 15 2013, 06:19 AM miguelnuva Feb 15 2013, 06:17 AM @DSB SSJ2 was the rage boost they weren't separate. Wrong His rage made him transform and his Rage Boost gave him even more power If SSj2 was his Rage boost ... he would not have stayed as SSj2 when he lost his will to fight SSJ2 wasn't a form when it was created it was just Gohan's rage all released on top of his MSSJ form. Gohan lost his will to fight the rage came from SSJ2 being a new form the same thing happened to Goku and Vegeta as SSJs.
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+ supersaqer	Feb 15 2013, 11:11 AM Post #22
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	SSjin 2 Vegeta (Pre-Majin) <> SSjin 2 Kid Gohan > Super Perfect Cell >> SSjin 2 Teen Gohan > Dabura ~ Full Power Perfect Cell ~ MSSjin Goku >> MSSjin Vegeta <> MSSjin Kid Gohan > MSSjin Goku (Cell Games) > MSSjin Teen Gohan >~ SSjin Vegeta (Cell Games). The Saiya-jin team probably wins.
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~~Frankie~~	Feb 15 2013, 11:16 AM Post #23
Posts: 573 Group: GTFO Member #593 Joined: August 8, 2005	IllogicalGlory Feb 15 2013, 04:16 AM On Cell's side: Dabura Full power Perfect Cell Super Perfect Cell On the SSJ side: MSSJ Gohan (Buu saga) - Gohan has the same weakened strength as then, but is just as good a fighter as ever MSSJ Goku (Buu saga) SSJ2 Vegeta (pre-majin) Why would Dabura be on Cells team?



Kblo247	Feb 15 2013, 11:26 AM Post #24
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	miguelnuva Feb 15 2013, 06:22 AM DSB Feb 15 2013, 06:19 AM miguelnuva Feb 15 2013, 06:17 AM @DSB SSJ2 was the rage boost they weren't separate. Wrong His rage made him transform and his Rage Boost gave him even more power If SSj2 was his Rage boost ... he would not have stayed as SSj2 when he lost his will to fight SSJ2 wasn't a form when it was created it was just Gohan's rage all released on top of his MSSJ form. Gohan lost his will to fight the rage came from SSJ2 being a new form the same thing happened to Goku and Vegeta as SSJs. It was a form, thus trunks basically exclaiming Gohan actually did it right unlike them.



Alex D. Boss	Feb 15 2013, 01:47 PM Post #25
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	MSSJ Goku stomps Dabura 1-0 MSSJ Gohan Buu arc wins against FP Cell 2-0 PM SSJ2 Vegeta rivals SPC , but Goku and Gohan gives him a hand and they share their victory 3-0 Good Topic. I liked this. One love.



EMIYA	Feb 15 2013, 01:51 PM Post #26
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Quote: Wait ... U are saying that there is not much difference between SPC And SSj2 Gohan , right ? Gohan himself stated that he had lost his will to fight [which leads to the loss of Rage Boost] and more than 50% of his Power He was almost defeated by FP SPC's Solar Kamehameha , but just managed to hold on ... when SPC was distracted ... he got his Rage Boost back and killed SPC IF u say that SSj2 Gohan = 1.001 x SPC [or something like that] , it contradicts the material in the Manga U cant say [or prove] that Gohan got back 100% Of his Full Power Magically and without getting healed If there was NOT a BIG difference , SPC would not have been killed even after getting Distracted. There really isn't, the statements and evidence show that. Cell, as previously mentioned, outright admits inferiority to SSJ2 Kid Gohan as FP PC. Cell then comes back and states he's powered up just like Gohan. To seal the deal he procedes to critically injure Gohan, destroy his spirt and then have Gohan outright admit he underestimated Cell's power. It's also actually quite easy for Gohan to get to 100% of his power, same way Freeza can get to his 100% power despite being so heavily damaged. It's just that Gohan's not going to have the stamina to withhold 100% power for very long.



+ miguelnuva	Feb 16 2013, 05:32 AM Post #27
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Kblo247 Feb 15 2013, 11:26 AM miguelnuva Feb 15 2013, 06:22 AM DSB Feb 15 2013, 06:19 AM miguelnuva Feb 15 2013, 06:17 AM @DSB SSJ2 was the rage boost they weren't separate. Wrong His rage made him transform and his Rage Boost gave him even more power If SSj2 was his Rage boost ... he would not have stayed as SSj2 when he lost his will to fight SSJ2 wasn't a form when it was created it was just Gohan's rage all released on top of his MSSJ form. Gohan lost his will to fight the rage came from SSJ2 being a new form the same thing happened to Goku and Vegeta as SSJs. It was a form, thus trunks basically exclaiming Gohan actually did it right unlike them. SSJ2 was just MSSJ Gohan+ rage unlocked. It wasn't SSJ2 till the Buu saga.
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+ Kyouks	Feb 16 2013, 05:45 AM Post #28
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	miguelnuva Feb 15 2013, 06:06 AM 1. The gap between Goku and Vegeta is never implied to be a literal gap but I won't argue this. 2. Vegeta wonders what the gap is between him and Gohan is and then latter at the Budokai and then when Gohan is fighting Dabra, Vegeta's reactions are from someone who would not expect Gohan to have lost as much power as he did but Gohan is still around CG Goku level. 3. The only thing that makes Goku close to Gohan is the Piccolo quote where he compares Vegeta to Kid Gohan but at the same time compares Kid Gohan to Teen Gohan. When someone is dwarfed by another power in DBZ it is hard to tell what that power is other than it is big. 4. The saiyans(namely Vegeta) always surpass their benchmark by the next saga unless it is stated they got weaker or didn't gain any power at all. Vegeta's benchmarks were Kid Gohan, SPC and ultimately Goku. 5. Vegeta and Goku imply that Dabra who is around the Cell that fought Goku was inferior to their MSSJ forms and that SSJ2 would blow Dabara out the water. PM Vegeta> Kid Gohan but a tiny gap isn't that hard to believe. Don't see the point in 4-5, 1-3 seem like okay points to prove PM Vegeta = Kid Gohan, though. Still can't see the superiority thing, but maybe that's just me. DSB Feb 15 2013, 06:12 AM Gohan himself stated that he had lost his will to fight [which leads to the loss of Rage Boost] and more than 50% of his Power He was almost defeated by FP SPC's Solar Kamehameha , but just managed to hold on ... SPC was implied to have been holding back. You'll notice that he waits until a little before Vegeta's distraction to say he'll finish things. DSB Feb 15 2013, 06:12 AM when SPC was distracted ... he got his Rage Boost back and killed SPC IF u say that SSj2 Gohan = 1.001 x SPC [or something like that] , it contradicts the material in the Manga No one is saying that. But if they were, they wouldn't necessarily be incorrect. DSB Feb 15 2013, 06:12 AM U cant say [or prove] that Gohan got back 100% Of his Full Power Magically and without getting healed Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P6.2-5 Context: after Gohan's injured saving Vegeta, and Cell charges up his final Kamehameha Goku: “Go strike with an all-out Kamehameha, like Cell! If you do that, you’ll definitely win! Absolutely!” Gohan: “B-but, the way I am now…I can only use one arm, and even my ki is already less than half…” [ ] Goku: “That’s alright, you can win! Believe in your own power! Show me one last time…The power we created together!” DSB Feb 15 2013, 06:12 AM If there was NOT a BIG difference , SPC would not have been killed even after getting Distracted. How, when the Kame blast can be amplified many times?



~~DSB~~	Feb 16 2013, 06:23 AM Post #29
The Showstopper Posts: 3,850 Group: Suspended Member #8,626 Joined: November 29, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox 16 Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Quote: DSB Feb 15 2013, 06:12 AM U cant say [or prove] that Gohan got back 100% Of his Full Power Magically and without getting healed Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P6.2-5 Context: after Gohan's injured saving Vegeta, and Cell charges up his final Kamehameha Goku: “Go strike with an all-out Kamehameha, like Cell! If you do that, you’ll definitely win! Absolutely!” Gohan: “B-but, the way I am now…I can only use one arm, and even my ki is already less than half…” [ ] Goku: “That’s alright, you can win! Believe in your own power! Show me one last time…The power we created together!” Doesnt this actually prove that Goku implies that Gohan can win EVEN if he's not at a 100 % ? Quote: DSB Feb 15 2013, 06:12 AM If there was NOT a BIG difference , SPC would not have been killed even after getting Distracted. How, when the Kame blast can be amplified many times? I said this before ... i believe when SPC was distracted ... Gohan got back his rage boost ... which could have killed even a Full Power SPC who was not even distracted Edited by DSB, Feb 16 2013, 06:24 AM.
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+ Pyrus	Feb 16 2013, 06:24 AM Post #30
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	What do you think the "power" Goku and Gohan created together was, DSB?
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