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The "Cell team" vs the SSJ team
Topic Started: Feb 15 2013, 04:16 AM (1,271 Views)
IllogicalGlory Feb 15 2013, 04:16 AM Post #1
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Furious

 On Cell's side:

Dabura
Full power Perfect Cell
Super Perfect Cell

On the SSJ side:

MSSJ Gohan (Buu saga) - Gohan has the same weakened strength as then, but is just as good a fighter as ever
MSSJ Goku (Buu saga)
SSJ2 Vegeta (pre-majin)
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Majin Mystic Gohan Feb 15 2013, 04:18 AM Post #2
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 Vegeta solos.
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DSB Feb 15 2013, 04:26 AM Post #3
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The Showstopper

 Dabura and FP PC gets one shotted by Vegeta

SPC kills them all [as others say SPC > Pre Majin SSj2 Vegeta]
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DBZ Fan Feb 15 2013, 04:27 AM Post #4
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Release the power within you.

 Yeah, Vegeta stomps everyone of them imo.
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EMIYA Feb 15 2013, 04:30 AM Post #5
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 SPC tells his counterpart and Dabura to join the other side...

...and then makes everyone cry and wet themselves like a bunch of a small newborn kittens...yes including Vegeta.
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Majin Mystic Gohan Feb 15 2013, 04:46 AM Post #6
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DSB
Feb 15 2013, 04:26 AM
Dabura and FP PC gets one shotted by Vegeta

SPC kills them all [as others say SPC > Pre Majin SSj2 Vegeta]
SPC is not that much stronger than PC, he is still much lower than SSJ2 Gohan, as he was able to defeat with a one arm KHH, i think Vegeta is probably more less around SSJ2 Kid Gohan so if doesn't get his arm hurt like Gohan, he'll probably win easily.
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jonte9195 Feb 15 2013, 04:48 AM Post #7
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RAT-TAT-TAT-TAT
Majin Mystic Gohan
Feb 15 2013, 04:46 AM
DSB
Feb 15 2013, 04:26 AM
Dabura and FP PC gets one shotted by Vegeta

SPC kills them all [as others say SPC > Pre Majin SSj2 Vegeta]
SPC is not that much stronger than PC, he is still much lower than SSJ2 Gohan, as he was able to defeat with a one arm KHH, i think Vegeta is probably more less around SSJ2 Kid Gohan so if doesn't get his arm hurt like Gohan, he'll probably win easily.
SPC broke Gohans Spirit along with his arm with a blast not even meant for him.
Theres such a small gap between SPC and SSj2 Gohan.
Human Fails!!
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EMIYA Feb 15 2013, 04:53 AM Post #8
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"I am the bone of my sword."
Majin Mystic Gohan
Feb 15 2013, 04:46 AM
DSB
Feb 15 2013, 04:26 AM
Dabura and FP PC gets one shotted by Vegeta

SPC kills them all [as others say SPC > Pre Majin SSj2 Vegeta]
SPC is not that much stronger than PC, he is still much lower than SSJ2 Gohan, as he was able to defeat with a one arm KHH, i think Vegeta is probably more less around SSJ2 Kid Gohan so if doesn't get his arm hurt like Gohan, he'll probably win easily.
Few issues with that.

1.) Cell's power was already strong enough to dock Gohan to less than half his natural strength. Not only did Cell diminish Gohan's ki that much with a single attack (not even meant for him too) but he also destroyed any confidence he had at winning until Goku started motivating him.

2.) It's outright stated Cell>Gohan up until the final burst and even then it's a distracted Cell.

3.) Most importantly, Goku tells Gohan to release his full power on cell. Regardless of where he was at before, by the end he's clearing giving it a 100%.

But to the other points, we know the difference between SSj2 Vegeta (Pre-Majin) and SSj2 Goku had the same difference as that between the two in the Cell games, one that would've been implied to have been increasingly huge. Likewise though, the difference between SSj2 Kid Gohan and SSj2 Goku is not implied to be that large. With SPC rivaling Gohan in power, Cell can easily manhandle someone of Pre-Majin Vegeta's calibre.
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DSB Feb 15 2013, 05:20 AM Post #9
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The Showstopper
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Feb 15 2013, 04:53 AM
Majin Mystic Gohan
Feb 15 2013, 04:46 AM
DSB
Feb 15 2013, 04:26 AM
Dabura and FP PC gets one shotted by Vegeta

SPC kills them all [as others say SPC > Pre Majin SSj2 Vegeta]
SPC is not that much stronger than PC, he is still much lower than SSJ2 Gohan, as he was able to defeat with a one arm KHH, i think Vegeta is probably more less around SSJ2 Kid Gohan so if doesn't get his arm hurt like Gohan, he'll probably win easily.
Few issues with that.

1.) Cell's power was already strong enough to dock Gohan to less than half his natural strength. Not only did Cell diminish Gohan's ki that much with a single attack (not even meant for him too) but he also destroyed any confidence he had at winning until Goku started motivating him.

2.) It's outright stated Cell>Gohan up until the final burst and even then it's a distracted Cell.

3.) Most importantly, Goku tells Gohan to release his full power on cell. Regardless of where he was at before, by the end he's clearing giving it a 100%.

But to the other points, we know the difference between SSj2 Vegeta (Pre-Majin) and SSj2 Goku had the same difference as that between the two in the Cell games, one that would've been implied to have been increasingly huge. Likewise though, the difference between SSj2 Kid Gohan and SSj2 Goku is not implied to be that large. With SPC rivaling Gohan in power, Cell can easily manhandle someone of Pre-Majin Vegeta's calibre.
Well i have to say something

Gohan himself said that he last more than half of his power [and he also lost his Rage Boost]

This means : FP SSj2 Gohan [Rage Boost] > FP SSj2 Gohan [Without Rage Boost] > Less than 50% SSj2 Gohan [Rage Boost] > Less Than 50% Gohan [Without Rage Boost]

I think when goku told gohan to use the final burst ... his lost rage boost got back and gave everything he had left , 100% of everything he had left [as it is he was less than 50% anyway]

And that Defeated a Distracted SPC
for all we know , SPC used full power just before he was distracted by vegeta and almost killed Gohan {who didnt have his rage boost at that moment}

When u lose ur 50% or more Power , u cant get it back unless u are healed

So : FP SSj2 Gohan [Rage Boost] > FP SSj2 Gohan [Without Rage Boost] > Less than 50% SSj2 Gohan [Rage Boost] > SPC [Full power] > ~ < SPC [Distracted]> Less Than 50% Gohan [Without Rage Boost]

I think this is the optimum position to Place SPC


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2.) It's outright stated Cell>Gohan up until the final burst and even then it's a distracted Cell.


Becoz SPC > Less Than 50% Gohan [Without Rage Boost] as i said earlier
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+ Pyrus Feb 15 2013, 05:22 AM Post #10
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Vegeta and SPC would be the only close fighters here, but even then, Cell would have the advantage and his biological nature would be the trump. The protagonists would lose within minutes unless Supa Cell allowed the fight to go longer than that.
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EMIYA Feb 15 2013, 05:28 AM Post #11
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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So : FP SSj2 Gohan [Rage Boost] > FP SSj2 Gohan [Without Rage Boost] > Less than 50% SSj2 Gohan [Rage Boost] > SPC [Full power] > ~ < SPC [Distracted]> Less Than 50% Gohan [Without Rage Boost]


Gohan 50% anything shouldn't be anywhere near SPC much less stronger regardless of rage boost. Not unless your 50% Gohan+Rage Boost is somehow getting up to Gohan's natural 100%.

I often mix it up, sometimes I use a rage boost sometimes I don't.

Take away the "Less than 50% SSj2 Gohan [Rage Boost] section and I would more or less agree.

My own rankings being..

SSj2 Kid Gohan (Potential Rage Burst)>SSJ2 Kid Gohan>~Super Perfect Cell>>/>>>50% Gohan. If we imply that Gohan did get a rage burst at the end.
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+ Kyouks Feb 15 2013, 05:29 AM Post #12
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 MSSJ Goku one-shots Dabura, Vegeta one-shots FP PC, Gohan and Goku catch SPC off-guard while he fights Vegeta, Vegeta use da Final Flash while SPC one shots Goku and Gohan, both of whom had just been spamming chi balls, den Vegeta wins, heehee ^.^

More likely scenario would be Goku and Gohan getting one shotted and SPC beating Vegeta after at least a somewhat exerting battle, imo.
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DSB Feb 15 2013, 05:30 AM Post #13
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Feb 15 2013, 05:28 AM
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So : FP SSj2 Gohan [Rage Boost] > FP SSj2 Gohan [Without Rage Boost] > Less than 50% SSj2 Gohan [Rage Boost] > SPC [Full power] > ~ < SPC [Distracted]> Less Than 50% Gohan [Without Rage Boost]


Gohan 50% anything shouldn't be anywhere near SPC much less stronger regardless of rage boost. Not unless your 50% Gohan+Rage Boost is somehow getting up to Gohan's natural 100%.

I often mix it up, sometimes I use a rage boost sometimes I don't.

Take away the "Less than 50% SSj2 Gohan [Rage Boost] section and I would more or less agree.

My own rankings being..

SSj2 Kid Gohan (Potential Rage Burst)>SSJ2 Kid Gohan>~Super Perfect Cell>>/>>>50% Gohan. If we imply that Gohan did get a rage burst at the end.
I kinda Believe that Less than 50% SSj2 Gohan [Rage Boost] is about 80% of FP SSj2 Gohan [Without Rage Boost]

So .. it really doesnt matter

but ur power chain is ... giving SPC Way more power than he actually has
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EMIYA Feb 15 2013, 05:34 AM Post #14
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 It's really hard to have Gohan at 80% with that and then have Cell be weaker than him though. It would mean that there would be a 1.25x difference between SSj2 Kid Gohan and SPC. That's the kind of difference you have between people one shotting each other. A gap like that wouldn't allow SPC to damage Gohan as much as he did unguarded or not unfortunately.


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but ur power chain is ... giving SPC Way more power than he actually has


Why not? He's already shown he's got the power now to greviously harm Gohan's body, something he wasn'te ven able to do before hand. One single attack literally docked Gohan's power down to less than half, it says a lot of the increase for Cell. I see no reason why Cell shouldn't at least Rival Gohan with Gohan of course having the overall edge in power.
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+ Kyouks Feb 15 2013, 05:39 AM Post #15
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 Cell says he powers up like Gohan, Gohan reconsiders what he said about taking out Cell easily. Gohan shouldn't be stomping SPC..
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