Emmeth

Feb 13 2013, 03:46 PM

Kikō (気功) is the Japanese translation of Qigong or Chi Kung, literally meaning "breath work" or "energy work", a traditional set of techniques for controlling breathing or circulating and cultivating chi (ki, energy) within the body, which is tied to a number of Chinese martial arts and medicinal beliefs. (source: Dragonball Wiki)

KetchupRevenge

Feb 13 2013, 03:52 PM

Dragon Ball Wiki isn't a reliable source. It's loaded with misinformation. Evidence to this is that some of the character techniques on there are completely made up. eg, the page on Tenshinhan's "Spirit Burst". There's no record of that technique anywhere in any official guide.

And evidence to the kikoho not being of ki is that is shortens his lifespan every time he uses it. That doesn't happen with actual ki techniques like the Kamehameha or Makosen.

Emmeth

Feb 13 2013, 03:55 PM

KetchupRevenge

Feb 13 2013, 03:52 PM

Dragon Ball Wiki isn't a reliable source. It's loaded with misinformation. Evidence to this is that some of the character techniques on there are completely made up. eg, the page on Tenshinhan's "Spirit Burst". There's no record of that technique anywhere in any official guide.

And evidence to the kikoho not being of ki is that is shortens his lifespan every time he uses it. That doesn't happen with actual ki techniques like the Kamehameha or Makosen.

Spirit Burst is Power Up, which every user with ki uses.

Ki = Energy. Life-force itself can't create such power. It's energy that drains the life-force.

KetchupRevenge

Feb 13 2013, 02:47 PM

Alex KloonBoss

Feb 13 2013, 12:49 PM

What's so hard to believe that a human can surpass a million ?

This conversation is beginning to circle, meeting adjourned. I've already explained it several times, now your just trollin'. You're deliberately ignoring evidence (Daizenshuu levels in the Ginyu Arc) just to shift the conversation in favor of your point.

KetchupRevenge

Feb 13 2013, 04:06 AM

Alex KloonBoss

Feb 12 2013, 03:04 PM

KetchupRevenge

Feb 12 2013, 05:37 AM

Alex KloonBoss

Feb 11 2013, 02:45 PM

Disagree.

Krillin was stated to be relevant against Frieza , so he was atleast 300K.

Dr.Gero wanted Piccolo,Gohan,Tien and Krillin's energy to beat SSJ Vegeta , so the Humans were easily above the million to be relevant for beating SSJ Vegeta.

Also the fact that Tien was stated to train after Cell Games.

These are Saiyan and Freeza saga power levels. It shows Krillin's during his fight with Recoom, and it only puts him at 13,000.
(French Daizenshuu scan)

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Krillin's 13,000 PL is during Goku's arrival on Namek, which was after the ki release that he received from the Great Namekian Elder.
Krillin's not Saiyan, he doesn't get Zenkai, therefore it's impossible for him to go from 13,000 to 300,000 in just one day. That's a 22.3x increase.

Other evidence to his weak level is that him and Gohan double-teamed Goku(Ginyu), who was only 23,000.

He only did two useful things against Freeza. The first was cutting off his tail, and that's only because Freeza was distracted (and can't sense ki).
The second was hitting him with a ki blast with Gohan, but Freeza again was distracted. Krillin fails to "be useful" head-on at any point in a fight with anyone aside from Freeza's weak footsoldiers.

Tenshinhan may have been stated to train after the Cell Games, but Toriyama stated in this interview that Krillin was the strongest Earthling male. There's no arguing with that.

I think it's pathetic too, but 13,000 is actually well above average human range, and three years of training... may be put him at above 100,000.

Sorry for saying this but , Daizenshuu is straight a big BS.

Krillin is stated to be relevant for beating Frieza 1st form who was 530,000. Vegeta also stated that Gohan and Krillin's ki was steadily rising , and not to mention that Piccolo felt great ki refering to Gohan Krillin and Vegeta.

No offense, but you have no right to argue if you're simply going to dismiss evidence that's part of an official guide. I don't agree with it either, but it is what it is.

And regardless of how strong Krillin was during the Freeza Arc, the point is that Krillin's stated to be the strongest Earthling male (in an interview in 2004 with Toriyama). Therefore, Tenshinhan can't be above him unless something comes out to contradict that.

I just find it extremely difficult to believe that a human could ever reach 1 million. The Ginyu Force were the pinnacle fighters in the known galaxy, and all of them didn't even touch 70,000 (except for Ginyu himself, of course).
The problem with arguments about power levels that I find is that people don't look at the bigger picture. They constantly need to be reminded that the power levels that we're used to seeing in the series are not the norm. They are freak powers.
The Saiyans were considered the strongest race in the Universe when they still existed, and 99% of them didn't even touch 10,000. So anything above 10,000 is abnormally strong, anything above 20,000 is freakish, a level equivalent to Ginyu is unheard of, and anything around Freeza first form is practically god-like.

My point is that just because the Super Saiyans are ridiculously powerful doesn't mean that everyone else is as well. And with the limited growth of human power, it's hard for me to believe that thy could ever reach 1,000,000 without some sort of modifications or special circumstances.

KetchupRevenge

Feb 13 2013, 02:47 PM

Alex KloonBoss

Feb 13 2013, 12:49 PM

What's so hard to believe that a human can surpass a million ?

This conversation is beginning to circle, meeting adjourned. I've already explained it several times, now your just trollin'. You're deliberately ignoring evidence (Daizenshuu levels in the Ginyu Arc) just to shift the conversation in favor of your point.

zenet

Feb 13 2013, 09:32 PM

Andriod arc Tien should be higher than 35 million because of what he did to Semi Cell
In Buu arc Tien - Base Goku

Animelover5487

Feb 13 2013, 10:21 PM

zenet

Feb 13 2013, 09:32 PM

Andriod arc Tien should be higher than 35 million because of what he did to Semi Cell
In Buu arc Tien - Base Goku

Tien is no where near Base Goku better yet his shown to be no where near the Base Kids in the buu arc, Krillin was stated to be the strongest human and we know judging by this that Base Kids > Krillin

Chapter: 430 (DBZ 236), P14.1-3
Context: after Trunks is told of the youth division
Trunks: “That’s alright! Let me fight with the adults”
Tournament guy: “Eh!? No, no. Those are the rules.”
Trunks: “Cheh!”
Kuririn: “Phew!”

zenet

Feb 13 2013, 10:51 PM

Animelover5487

Feb 13 2013, 10:21 PM

zenet

Feb 13 2013, 09:32 PM

Andriod arc Tien should be higher than 35 million because of what he did to Semi Cell
In Buu arc Tien - Base Goku

Tien is no where near Base Goku better yet his shown to be no where near the Base Kids in the buu arc, Krillin was stated to be the strongest human and we know judging by this that Base Kids > Krillin

Chapter: 430 (DBZ 236), P14.1-3
Context: after Trunks is told of the youth division
Trunks: “That’s alright! Let me fight with the adults”
Tournament guy: “Eh!? No, no. Those are the rules.”
Trunks: “Cheh!”
Kuririn: “Phew!”

Krilin was said to be the strongest based on Cell Games. Tien was never seen after the Cell Games.

Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P7.1
Context: talking to Goku after knocking out Tenshinhan
Boo: “…That guy just now was apparently quite a master, but he was reduced to that state in just 1 one kick…You’re making some worthless boasts…Frankly, no matter what you try, you absolutely won’t be able to even inflict damage on me.”

Buutenks is obviously trying to intimidate Base Goku by knocking out Tenshinhan in one kick. On the second line Is a boast that transforming would make no difference in the outcome.