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A discovery about the power level scale
Topic Started: Jan 23 2013, 03:32 AM (1,621 Views)
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Hello. I may be new here, but bear with me. The average human in DBZ has a power level of 5. Goku is stated by Akira Toriyama to have a power level of 10 when he meets Bulma. However, he can lift cars, which are at least 10 times heavier than what the average person can lift, suggesting that the scale is not linear. Indeed, if it was linear, taking into account the weight of an average automobile, around 3000 pounds, his power level on a linear scale would be around 100, violently disagreeing with Akira Toriyama's statement. However, if we assume that the scale is logarithmic, it works. Doing the math gives me something like this... For each successive point on the scale, a character would have to be (logarithm of base 5 of 20), which is approximately 1.8613531161... Doing some more math reveals that this does indeed work.

On this newly formalized scale, I would have a strength PL of just under 5, and a speed PL of around 5.5. Taking the geometric mean of these 2 values gives me approximately 5.22.

Feel free to post your own power levels here!
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So where do you put Mr.Satan then..?
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OK, for strength power levels, take how much the average person can deadlift, around 146.25 pounds. This is how much a human with a power level of 5 can deadlift. Now, to check and see if your power level is 6, multiply 146.25 by the logarithm of 20 with base 5. Repeat until you get something that your capabilities match up with.

EDIT: Mr. Satan would probably be a 6 or so.
Edited by Alegend45, Jan 23 2013, 12:46 PM.
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I personally just prefer the whole "Dragon Ball uses physical strength rather than Ki strength" thing.
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Alegend45
Jan 23 2013, 12:46 PM
OK, for strength power levels, take how much the average person can deadlift, around 146.25 pounds. This is how much a human with a power level of 5 can deadlift. Now, to check and see if your power level is 6, multiply 146.25 by the logarithm of 20 with base 5. Repeat until you get something that your capabilities match up with.

EDIT: Mr. Satan would probably be a 6 or so.


Agreed,

Im glad you are one of those guys who put Mr.Satan below 10 and below Kid Goku.
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Jan 23 2013, 03:36 PM
Agreed,

Im glad you are one of those guys who put Mr.Satan below 10 and below Kid Goku.
No one puts Mr Satan above Goku. If they put Satan above 10, that means they put Kid Goku far above 10.


No one thinks Satan is stronger than Goku.
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Jan 23 2013, 06:14 PM
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Jan 23 2013, 03:36 PM
Agreed,

Im glad you are one of those guys who put Mr.Satan below 10 and below Kid Goku.
No one puts Mr Satan above Goku. If they put Satan above 10, that means they put Kid Goku far above 10.


No one thinks Satan is stronger than Goku.


No one thinks Satan is stronger than Goku? Do you know how often I discussed about this shet topic that Goku>Satan?

There is no reason to put Satan above 10 or 10.

I don't know who this guy OP is , but this guy definitely came up with a great calculations. No wonder he has 10 likes. Nice one dude.
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physical strength is unrelated to ki output.

power level measures ki output, nothing else.

you don't know how heavy the car is.

you don't know what the average human's power level is, because only one person has a power level of 5. he's a farmer, so he probably is in somewhat better condition than an average person. the average person therefore probably has a pl of 3 or 4, not 5.
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Is the average a person can dead-lift really only ~145 pounds? That seems incredibly small to me.
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Brilliant, my friend! While it does not necessarily help with the physical strength issue, it helps with the small gaps implied by PLs!

16,000 < Goku (KKx2) << Vegeta (pre-power up) <<< 18,000 works!

I don't necessarily agree w/ log5(20), since it doesn't need to be that specific, but it's a nice explanation for minimalist gaps working.
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Jan 23 2013, 10:03 PM
Brilliant, my friend! While it does not necessarily help with the physical strength issue, it helps with the small gaps implied by PLs!

16,000 < Goku (KKx2) << Vegeta (pre-power up) <<< 18,000 works!
it still doesn't work any better or worse than before. the best option there is just to ignore the 18,000 as either an outdated number (frieza was not up to date on vegeta's pl) or vegeta's everyday pl (vegeta didn't ever power up in front of frieza, so 18,000 was just his waling around power).
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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There are other quite small gaps too, but they work far easier than the 16,000 to 18,000 huge increase power-up.

I don't quite like going against a stated power level though. And besides, his power level was 24k after the zenkai, so make it higher than 18,000 and the zenkai gets quite small.

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well, his next zenkai was 24,000 to 30,00, a 25% increase. if he got the exact same percentage zenkai, then his pl was 19,200. that gives an extra 1,200 to work with, and spreads the gaps a bit. or, kaioken isn't a perfect technique, and while it does double ki output, it still requires ki to maintain. so, while goku may be at 16,000, he can only fight at an effective 15,000 or so, giving more breathing room on the lower end.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Alegend45
Jan 23 2013, 03:32 AM
Hello. I may be new here, but bear with me. The average human in DBZ has a power level of 5. Goku is stated by Akira Toriyama to have a power level of 10 when he meets Bulma. However, he can lift cars, which are at least 10 times heavier than what the average person can lift, suggesting that the scale is not linear. Indeed, if it was linear, taking into account the weight of an average automobile, around 3000 pounds, his power level on a linear scale would be around 100, violently disagreeing with Akira Toriyama's statement. However, if we assume that the scale is logarithmic, it works. Doing the math gives me something like this... For each successive point on the scale, a character would have to be (logarithm of base 5 of 20), which is approximately 1.8613531161... Doing some more math reveals that this does indeed work.

On this newly formalized scale, I would have a strength PL of just under 5, and a speed PL of around 5.5. Taking the geometric mean of these 2 values gives me approximately 5.22.

Feel free to post your own power levels here!
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