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Gotenks or Gogeta
Topic Started: Jan 21 2013, 04:40 AM (4,076 Views)
SSJ Jan 22 2013, 03:15 AM Post #31
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 SSJ 2 Gotenks would smash SSJ Gogeta, but SSJ 1 Gotenks would lose.
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+ Pyrus Jan 22 2013, 03:32 AM Post #32
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sigh. the gotenks fans want to push goten and trunks as close as possible to their fathers so gotenks is stronger by proxy. the kids are garbage compared to their dads therefore gotenks is garbage compared to gogeta.
I hate to present bare facts that most people here know already.

Goten and Trunks are close to Gohan. Gohan is not far off from the adults. Therefore, the kids are not far off from the adults.

Now, if Goten and Trunks fuse by dance, and Goku and Vegeta fuse by dance, and Gogeta goes SSJ and Gotenks goes SSJ3, who wins.

(hint: Gotenks)
goten couldnt land a hit on gohan. they arent close to being equal. he is on his tier but is outclassed skillwise and powerwise.

premajin vegeta thinks that gohan post training for the budokai is trash tier.


pre majin vegeta is far far far far stronger than gohan who outclasses the kids.

premajin vegeta is weaker than goku by a good amount.

post majin vegeta is equal to goku.

goku=post-majin vegeta>premajin vegeta>>>>>>>post budokai training gohan>goten and trunks.


goten and trunks being anywhere near their dads is completely laughable to the point where you even suggesting this makes you look delusional.

gogeta toys and humiliates gotenks in a similar fashion to the way bills stopped ssj3 goku with a finger then beheads him with a karate chop.
The last half of your post has nothing to do with what you actually claimed, good sir.
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SSJ Jan 22 2013, 03:41 AM Post #33
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Sam Jan 22 2013, 03:46 AM Post #34
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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.

 Wow. I always thought SSj Gogeta was stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

Wowza.
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SSJ Jan 22 2013, 03:52 AM Post #35
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 Well I was the same, until I came across other peoples evidence of Gogeta SSJ 3 < Base Vegetto. Since Goku was confident that a hypothetical Gokhan would beat Buutenks, we can assume he meant in SSJ 3 form, because; " always assume full power". Since Gohan would have to lower his power level to Goku's, and Goku ~ Vegeta, their fusions would be the same. Since they would be > Buutenks, and we can imply that Base Vegetto may be stronger than Buutenks as well, Base Vegetto ~> SSJ 3 Gogeta in my opinion.
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Sam Jan 22 2013, 03:54 AM Post #36
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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.

 I actually had SSj Gogeta at slightly below Semi-Ultimate Boo (Bootenks) and Vegetto up and beyond Ultimate Gohan in SSj.

Honestly, I don't follow the line of logic very well, even after re-reading the post a few times. But, given that this opinion on Gogeta/Vegetto is founded from evidence years ago, I'll just go ahead and say I'm probably wrong.
Edited by Sam, Jan 22 2013, 03:55 AM.
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SSJ Jan 22 2013, 03:59 AM Post #37
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 Ok I'll try to explain better:

Goku thought that if he fused with Gohan with the fusion dance, they could beat Buutenks. Since you must have even powers to use the fusion dance, Gohan must lower his power level to Goku's. We also know that Goku ~ Vegeta, so essentially a Goku-Gohan fusion would be the same power wise as a Goku-Vegeta fusion.

Since Goku possesses SSJ 3, it is safe to assume that he would intend to use it when he is fused with Gohan to defeat Buu. This means Goku-Gohan > Buutenks. Since Gogeta has the same power as Gokhan, their SSJ 3 will also beat Buutenks.

Now, since Vegetto transformed against Buuhan, it's safe to say that he is weaker, but still above Buutenks as well.

Vegetto ~ SSJ3 Gogeta
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taimanin Jan 22 2013, 03:59 AM Post #38
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 bejiita can win in his regular state even with #18 going to the tournament.

SS brats based on their fight with #18 don't seem much stronger and probably equal to bejiita at best, whose SS state would be 50x above them.

SS3 is not above SS by 50x, therefore, SS gogeta > SS3 gotenks.
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Sam Jan 22 2013, 04:02 AM Post #39
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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.

 Ah, much better, I get it now. However, I'm not really sure if you can automatically assume he'd go SSj3, or need it. Just because they need fusion to beat Boo doesn't mean that they need all the power that their fusion suggests. Goku simply knows fusion produces incredible results, and given how powerful Gohan and Goku are, they would be exceptionally powerful. Besides, it's the only real option Goku had at the time, and it wasn't a bad one. I doubt he really knew what form they would need to beat him, just that they needed to fuse.
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MAJIN_VEGITO Jan 22 2013, 04:04 AM Post #40
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sigh. the gotenks fans want to push goten and trunks as close as possible to their fathers so gotenks is stronger by proxy. the kids are garbage compared to their dads therefore gotenks is garbage compared to gogeta.
I hate to present bare facts that most people here know already.

Goten and Trunks are close to Gohan. Gohan is not far off from the adults. Therefore, the kids are not far off from the adults.

Now, if Goten and Trunks fuse by dance, and Goku and Vegeta fuse by dance, and Gogeta goes SSJ and Gotenks goes SSJ3, who wins.

(hint: Gotenks)
goten couldnt land a hit on gohan. they arent close to being equal. he is on his tier but is outclassed skillwise and powerwise.

premajin vegeta thinks that gohan post training for the budokai is trash tier.


pre majin vegeta is far far far far stronger than gohan who outclasses the kids.

premajin vegeta is weaker than goku by a good amount.

post majin vegeta is equal to goku.

goku=post-majin vegeta>premajin vegeta>>>>>>>post budokai training gohan>goten and trunks.


goten and trunks being anywhere near their dads is completely laughable to the point where you even suggesting this makes you look delusional.

gogeta toys and humiliates gotenks in a similar fashion to the way bills stopped ssj3 goku with a finger then beheads him with a karate chop.
The last half of your post has nothing to do with what you actually claimed, good sir.
im not making claims. im stating facts. its fact that goten and trunks are trash tier compared to goku and vegeta and my entire post proved it. in the "Yo Son Goku and his friends return" special which was written by akira toriyama(its just as canon as that special with bills, base goten and trunks are dead even Abo and Kado who were stated to be as strong as frieza.

buu saga trunks and and goten are even weaker than that and by a significant amount since the special happened 2 years after the buu saga. they may be about 80,000,000 in base post-rosat at the max. they are nothing but flies compared to goku and vegeta.

goku and vegeta would one-shot frieza in base while using 1/50th of their base power.
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SSJ Jan 22 2013, 04:04 AM Post #41
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 Yes I agree with you. In honesty, I believe SSJ 2 Gogeta would be ~ Base Vegetto, but I was proven wrong by some hooligans!
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+ Pyrus Jan 22 2013, 04:14 AM Post #42
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sigh. the gotenks fans want to push goten and trunks as close as possible to their fathers so gotenks is stronger by proxy. the kids are garbage compared to their dads therefore gotenks is garbage compared to gogeta.
I hate to present bare facts that most people here know already.

Goten and Trunks are close to Gohan. Gohan is not far off from the adults. Therefore, the kids are not far off from the adults.

Now, if Goten and Trunks fuse by dance, and Goku and Vegeta fuse by dance, and Gogeta goes SSJ and Gotenks goes SSJ3, who wins.

(hint: Gotenks)
goten couldnt land a hit on gohan. they arent close to being equal. he is on his tier but is outclassed skillwise and powerwise.

premajin vegeta thinks that gohan post training for the budokai is trash tier.


pre majin vegeta is far far far far stronger than gohan who outclasses the kids.

premajin vegeta is weaker than goku by a good amount.

post majin vegeta is equal to goku.

goku=post-majin vegeta>premajin vegeta>>>>>>>post budokai training gohan>goten and trunks.


goten and trunks being anywhere near their dads is completely laughable to the point where you even suggesting this makes you look delusional.

gogeta toys and humiliates gotenks in a similar fashion to the way bills stopped ssj3 goku with a finger then beheads him with a karate chop.
The last half of your post has nothing to do with what you actually claimed, good sir.
im not making claims. im stating facts. its fact that goten and trunks are trash tier compared to goku and vegeta and my entire post proved it. in the "Yo Son Goku and his friends return" special which was written by akira toriyama(its just as canon as that special with bills, base goten and trunks are dead even Abo and Kado who were stated to be as strong as frieza.

buu saga trunks and and goten are even weaker than that and by a significant amount since the special happened 2 years after the buu saga. they may be about 80,000,000 in base post-rosat at the max. they are nothing but flies compared to goku and vegeta.

goku and vegeta would one-shot frieza in base while using 1/50th of their base power.
I see where your confusion comes from. It is in fact false that Akira Toriyama wrote the 2008 special. Rather, he came up with an idea and allowed another individual (whose name escapes me) to write the story/script. Furthermore, you may not be aware of this, but the special has a manga counterpart. In said manga counterpart, the boys completely stomp Abo and Cado with no effort from the beginning.

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+ Solid Snake Jan 22 2013, 04:21 AM Post #43
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 true but afterwards, they fought her by themselves after being discovered. and according to a context Pyro showed me, gohan (post zsword) is indeed stronger than before but it was most at being able to fight on par with buu.

but the end result is still the same, buu took on piccolo's attribute.

Goten: 1-2
Trunks: 1-2.5
Piccolo:2.9-3
Gohan: 3-5.9
Dabura: 4-6.5
Vegeta: 6-7.5
Goku: 6-8.5
Vegeta (Majin): 6-8.5
Majin Buu: 10-11.5
SSJ3 Goku: 10.5-13
Gohan (post Z): 9.5-10
Goten (post): 2.5-2.7
Trunks (post): 2.7-2.91

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+ Kyouks Jan 22 2013, 04:23 AM Post #44
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Ah, much better, I get it now. However, I'm not really sure if you can automatically assume he'd go SSj3, or need it. Just because they need fusion to beat Boo doesn't mean that they need all the power that their fusion suggests. Goku simply knows fusion produces incredible results, and given how powerful Gohan and Goku are, they would be exceptionally powerful. Besides, it's the only real option Goku had at the time, and it wasn't a bad one. I doubt he really knew what form they would need to beat him, just that they needed to fuse.
Gohan-Boo > SSJ3 Gogeta, so it'd have to be SSJ3 Gogeta who can beat Gotenks-Boo.
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+ Pyrus Jan 22 2013, 04:39 AM Post #45
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true but afterwards, they fought her by themselves after being discovered. and according to a context Pyro showed me, gohan (post zsword) is indeed stronger than before but it was most at being able to fight on par with buu.

but the end result is still the same, buu took on piccolo's attribute.

Goten: 1-2
Trunks: 1-2.5
Piccolo:2.9-3
Gohan: 3-5.9
Dabura: 4-6.5
Vegeta: 6-7.5
Goku: 6-8.5
Vegeta (Majin): 6-8.5
Majin Buu: 10-11.5
SSJ3 Goku: 10.5-13
Gohan (post Z): 9.5-10
Goten (post): 2.5-2.7
Trunks (post): 2.7-2.91

IMO.
That was filler. They fled the scene after C18 dislodged them from one another.

Ah, also, you must always assume full power - in this case, strongest transformation. Stay frosty, my friends.
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