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Suppressing vs. Holding Back
Topic Started: Jan 20 2013, 06:21 PM (870 Views)
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I'm going state what came to mind about how I think these two differentiate from each other.

**Suppressing: A skill that takes training and deep concentration; To free willingly be able to push their BP to levels below their relaxed state(the state they walk around in without being suppressed or powered up.) to hide their true power for throwing off an opponent or to hide.

-Ex 1. Goku, Vegeta, Krillin, and Gohan all suppressing their power to hide it from Babidi and Dabura.
-Ex 2. Vegeta sneaking around Namek under Freeza's nose.
-Ex 3.Gohan and Krillin hiding their power to sneak under Vegeta's.


#Relaxed State: The state fighters walk around in when they aren't suppressing, powered up, or at FP. Them just doing stuff in their daily lives with no fighting going through their head at all.

-Ex 1. Gohan having a cup of tea with Videl at home.
-Ex 2. Goten out on a date.
-Ex 3. Nappa before he started working the Z Gang over.

**Holding Back: Here's what I think about Holding Back that came to mind: Holding back is when Fighter A is clearly stronger than Fighter B, but F-A uses his match use power to match F-B to make it a good fight for however long he desires.

-Ex 1. Cell blocking Goku's punches for a long time; matched on his level, but when he decides he's had enough of the games, he's able to power up and blow Goku away; stopping him from attacking him any further with ease. Cell able to use a burst of power when he needs to--to overcome Goku who is going all out on him.

-Ex 2. Goku fighting Krillin at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai.

What do you guys think about that?
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Basically how I see it:

Suppressing = Actually lowering your ki so you're outputting less

Holding back = while still at your normal levels of ki, you're pulling your punches and not actually trying all out in the fight.

Which is basically what you said, so I'd agree.
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Professor Gohan
Jan 20 2013, 06:21 PM
**Suppressing: A skill that takes training
Only problem here is that Vegeta seemingly learned to suppress just by knowing the ability existed.

But aside from that, I agree.
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So basically, it's a skill that anyone could pick up, but the concentration part is the real work?

IIRC, Vegeta may not of had it fully down on his arrival on Namek; but continued to work on it when he was running around.
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Yeah, hence the "seemingly" in my post.

EDIT: He had it down on Namek just fine.
Edited by Kyouks, Jan 20 2013, 09:44 PM.
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imo, suppressed ← ready → powered up
Edited by DEY DID DIS 2 ME, Jan 20 2013, 11:24 PM.
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Ah, you are the expert at this kinda stuff, aren't cha?

Is being "ready" similar to the relaxed state?

Edit: Being "ready" sounds like it would relate to match use more, imo.
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Professor Gohan
Jan 20 2013, 11:26 PM
Ah, you are the expert at this kinda stuff, aren't cha?

Is being "ready" similar to the relaxed state?

Edit: Being "ready" sounds like it would relate to match use more, imo.
indeed.

Specifically, it's a range of power that's quickly (maybe instantly), accessible.

e.g.
Goku, at Ginyu Squad, toggles between 5 000 and 60 000
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Sounds like little burst of power, that not even the scouters can pick up properly.

What I get from that is: Goku pretty much testing and toying with them(the GInyu Squad) when he's indeed stronger, but it's not what it seems. I now see "ready" as testing/toying undetected until ready to strike.
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Goku and Piccolo were ready at Raditz scouter [408, 416].
Gohan, Kuririn, and Gohan were ready at Nappa's scouter [1083, 981, 1220].
The Namekian Fighters were ready at Freeza's soldiers [~ 1000].
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Suppressed - Relaxed - Ready - Powered Up then ^.^

or more DBZingly;

Suppressed - Relaxed - Ready - Powered Up - Powered up More - Most Powered Up - Final Powered Up - Tricked You, Powered Up Again - Final, Final Powered Up.

EDIT:
Sorry, i turn everything into game talk.
But since im making a DB game ive got the following down so far.

Suppressed = Lowest Possible in State. Eg Base Usualy 5, Transformation Based on what PL you need to fall out of Transformation.
Relaxed is the Starting PL the players character/s starts at.
Stable = Is the same as Ready i guess, its what the PL goes up to steadily before stopping and hovering about that area.
Powered Up = Is any PL over the stable PL.

Stable PL*
IF PL under, steadily rise to approx that area.
If PL Over steadily fall till approx that area.

Doubt that helps any one, but ^.^
Edited by Liarzax, Jan 21 2013, 03:03 AM.
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Professor Gohan
Jan 20 2013, 09:42 PM
IIRC, Vegeta may not of had it fully down on his arrival on Namek; but continued to work on it when he was running around.
It was ki sensing that Vegeta struggled with a little on Namek (another thing he picked up just by knowing it was possible), he seemed able to suppress okay.
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Jan 21 2013, 06:16 AM
Professor Gohan
Jan 20 2013, 09:42 PM
IIRC, Vegeta may not of had it fully down on his arrival on Namek; but continued to work on it when he was running around.
It was ki sensing that Vegeta struggled with a little on Namek (another thing he picked up just by knowing it was possible), he seemed able to suppress okay.
Oh yeah, you're right about that.
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