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| [DBZF Budokai] ; Super Boo vs. SSJ3 Gotenks | |
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| SSJ | Jan 21 2013, 02:07 AM Post #16 |
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Well I think it makes sense if he sensed him after. Gohan didn't even know that he had become stronger during the process of the powerup. Not even Goku could sense him getting stronger. If the people closest to him couldn't sense his powerup, I think it would make sense for Super Buu to sense him during the powerup as well. |
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Jan 21 2013, 02:09 AM Post #17 |
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Hence... Gohan: “…That was dirty, you bastard…You ingested the two of them into yourself…” Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…” If Super Boo had sensed Gohan afterwards, that part of the quote would not make sense as he's clearly > Super Boo at that time. |
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| SSJ | Jan 21 2013, 02:13 AM Post #18 |
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Ahah! Buu says "When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy... In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself...". You see? It doesn't matter when or where it was that Buu sensed Gohan, but he states that nobody until Gohan was stronger than him. So he used Gotenks to gain the power to beat him. |
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Jan 21 2013, 02:15 AM Post #19 |
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But at this time, Super Boo had not fought Gotenks yet. Well, he had, but he'd fought the Base Gotenks that lost vs. Fat Boo. |
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| SSJ | Jan 21 2013, 02:21 AM Post #20 |
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Still I don't think it makes sense. At that point when he had fought as Fat Buu, Gohan was still weak, and still using the Z sword iirc. If not, he was early into the powerup process. He still wouldn't have been anything for Buu to even consider. |
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Jan 21 2013, 02:22 AM Post #21 |
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Huh? No.... Gohan was Post Z Sword training and mid way into the Elder Kai powerup when he got really angry and started powering up. At which point, Super Boo was outside of the RoSaT waiting for the boys to get ready. He still hadn't fought Gotenks in the RoSaT at that point. |
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| SSJ | Jan 21 2013, 02:28 AM Post #22 |
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Ok disregard what I said, messed up the timeframe of events. Back to that quote, the plan must have been started while he was fighting Gotenks because he said that he planned to absorb Gotenks in case someone was stronger than him. I don't think he would have been talking about Base Gotenks pre Rosat who was SSJ 2 tier. Since he planned to capture Gotenks for power, I'm sure he was thinking about his SSJ3 power all along, because that was the only power that was relevant to him. |
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Jan 21 2013, 02:32 AM Post #23 |
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But you're forgetting the essence of the quote. Super Boo says he started formulating the plan when he felt Gohan, which is way before he started fighting Gotenks. At which point, they were really the two strongest individuals. I don't believe the quote can be used, simply because he's talking about before all the stuff in the RoSaT. And lastly, we have two quotes saying SSJ3 Gotenks is stronger than Super Boo. You have yet to prove that he was not at full power when he fought Serious SSJ3 Gotenks. Since he is not stated to power up when fighting Gohan, we must assume he was a FP the entire time after he exited the RoSaT, which proves without a shadow of a doubt that Serious SSJ3 Gotenks is more powerful than Super Boo. |
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| SSJ | Jan 21 2013, 02:41 AM Post #24 |
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I think the fact that Super Buu was barely taking damage from even Gohan can help my cause. Buu took many full power punches from Gohan and showed apparent damage, although he continually would come back, showing no visible damage or reduced energy. Gohan is much stronger than Gotenks, 1.5x in my opinion, and he could hardly even damage Buu even though he had a massive power advantage. Is leads me to believe that Buu either had powered up, or his durability and endurance are too much to overcome. I know Gohan never tried to kill Buu, but his punches seemed to do the same effect as Gotenks' even though he was much more powerful. I think his defenses are too much for Gotenks to overcome.
Edited by SSJ, Jan 21 2013, 02:41 AM.
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Jan 21 2013, 02:50 AM Post #25 |
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I don't feel it helps your case very much. The reason being, Gohan wasn't landing successive punches on Super Boo like Gotenks was. Gotenks landed numerous hits on Boo, causing him to get extremely damaged. Gotenks vs. Boo Gohan only threw 2 punches and one kick to his face, while Gotenks threw over double the amount Gohan threw. (9 punches/kicks to Boo's face) Boo's infinite stamina also plays a big role there.
But this does not mean Gotenks isn't > Super Boo. The victory does not always come to the more powerful opponent. Edited by GridZero, Jan 21 2013, 02:50 AM.
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| SSJ | Jan 21 2013, 03:38 AM Post #26 |
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Spoiler: click to toggle On the contrary, I feel that Gohan did land a good number of hits in a good amount of time. They may not have been AS quick as Gotenks, but it was still pretty fast. Buu didn't have time to defend himself on many occasions, yet he still came back at full strength every time. Buu's durability is too good. And about the point of Gotenks's Kamehameha, I bet Super Buu would be able to counter KHH it anyways if he really felt threatened. I doubt he would just stand there and let it hit him. As we know Buu also knows the KHH wave, and I think his would be just as strong as Gotenks' |
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Jan 21 2013, 03:43 AM Post #27 |
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But see, this is all conjecture. What we know: Goku thinks SSJ3 Gotenks will kill Super Boo. Trunks says SSJ3 Gotenks would've killed Super Boo. What we must assume: Super Boo was Full Power vs. SSJ3 Gotenks, due to not being stated to power up. (Your counter argument for that falls flat, because even counting all the hits Gohan gave Boo, it comes up as short compared to Gotenks) Conclusion? Super Boo might have the advantages in a fight to beat Gotenks. I've never denied this. But I'm under the impression that the topic is "who is stronger?" Put simply, Gotenks is stronger and the manga and quotes not only imply it, but 100% say it, IMO. We can go all day long, but without disproving Super Boo being at FP vs. Gotenks, or rather, being FP as soon as he exited the RoSaT, you can't hope to win here. |
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| SSJ | Jan 21 2013, 03:52 AM Post #28 |
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Conclusion: What we know: Super Buu has mad regeneration skills Super Buu can take some punches without taking any damage Gotenks is a cocky punk Possibilities: Gotenks fires the KHH and wins Super Buu manages to counter the KHH Super Buu regenerates and continues the fight For these reasons I believe that Super Buu has a decent chance at beating Gotenks, and I think Super Buu ~> Gotenks. Pleasure debating you Grid, I've learned a lot
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Jan 21 2013, 04:01 AM Post #29 |
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I take that as conceding? You did well, SSJ2. I didn't think this would go over a page. Granted, I wasn't using *full* effort here and didn't come prepared at all, you still gave me a challenge. You've learned well from your peers and are 100% Shinden worthy, don't ever doubt that again. |
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| SSJ | Jan 21 2013, 04:02 AM Post #30 |
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Thanks Grid I came in unprepared as well. I pretty much had to scramble to find as many quotes as I could which there weren't many anyways. And thanks a lot, this gives me some more confidence to use on Shinden
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