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| [DBZF Budokai] ; Super Boo vs. SSJ3 Gotenks | |
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Jan 20 2013, 05:33 PM Post #1 |
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![]() IF YOU ARE NOT BUKLAU, SUPER SAIYAN 2, A FACT CHECKER, OR A HOST DO NOT POST IN THIS TOPIC Thought I'd make this now. Since I'm going to try to abstain from Z topics starting tomorrow, I'm looking to end this in a single day. Come forth with your argument, Super Saiya-jin 2. (Credit to DSB for Logo) Edited by GridZero, Jan 20 2013, 07:38 PM.
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| SSJ | Jan 20 2013, 08:44 PM Post #2 |
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Good luck Grid, lets make this a good debate ![]() Ok so i will be trying to prove that Super Buu ~> SSJ 3 Gotenks. I will start off with a nice quote: Chapter: 493 (DBZ 299), P11.5-6 Boo: “Huh? Did you change a little bit?” Gotenks: “Idii---iiot! I’m not making a big fuss over just ‘a little bit’! I’ve become incredibly, incredibly, incree~~eedibly strong!” We know as a fact that Buu can sense with no problems. Chapter: 486 (DBZ 292), P12.2 Piccolo: “Da-damn it…! This Majin Boo is able to spot our ki!” He notices the change in Gotenks, but he doesn't think too much of it. At this point he still knows that he outclasses Gotenks. Chapter: 495 (DBZ 301), P5.2 Context: as Gotenks fires the Rapid-Fire Die-Die Missiles Piccolo: “St-stop, you idiot! Are you trying to blow away the Earth itself?!” Gotenks puts everything into these blasts, and Piccolo even tells him to stop. Yet Super Buu was completely unnaffected. Chapter: 495 (DBZ 301), P6.1-3, P7.1-3 Context: after Gotenks blasts Boo with the Rapid-Fire Die-Die Missiles and Piccolo stops him Gotenks: “Well, whatever. I already did quite a lot, after all. He should be pretty weakened.” *Boo comes out* Gotenks: “…He ain’t weakened…This really pisses me off!” Piccolo: “N-no…He is weakened…I don’t know about physically, but he’s weakened a little mentally…! Th-this is the first time…that he’s fought someone strong like you…He’s feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own…” Gotenks: “Dehhehheh! So in other words, Majin Boo’s freaked out, huh!? That’s right! My strength ain’t half-assed! I’m the best in the universe!” Piccolo: “Don’t let your guard down! He’ll be coming at you frantically now…!” Gotenks: “Dahhahhah, that’s no problem, no problem at all! That’s just what I was hoping for!” Gotenks notes that Super Buu should be weakened after taking all of those blasts, but Piccolo tells him not to think this. Piccolo tells him that Buu is not physically hurt from Gotenks attack, but possibly mentally hurt because someone is finally able to fight with him. Note how Piccolo says he is not physically hurt. Gotenks put a lot of his energy into those blasts, and Piccolo even had to restrain him from destroying the earth. An attack like this did absolutely nothing to Buu. Now onto when Buu absorbed Gotenks: Chapter: 499 (DBZ 305), P12.2-4 Gohan: “…That was dirty, you bastard…You ingested the two of them into yourself…” Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…” Buu notes that he sensed Gohan's presence, and that it was his intention to absorb Gotenks from the start. I use this to think that Buu was keeping Gotenks alive for extra power. He knew that he would be unable to defeat Gohan with his own power, so he played around with Gotenks, not fighting him extremely seriously. I think he would have been able to beat Gotenks if he had set his mind to it. Now there is the factor of Majin Buu's extreme durability and regeneration. Buu shows time and time again that he can regenerate from almost any attack. The exception would be Kid Buu and the Spirit Bomb. I tend to think that a Buu can only be defeated with an attack that is multifold more powerful than himself, and I don't believe Gotenks would be able to produce an attack this powerful. Come at me Grid ![]() |
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Jan 20 2013, 09:11 PM Post #3 |
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You mean like this attack? Gotenks: Then I'll obliterate all the pieces with chi! You'll never be able to regenerate again! Having learned from their mistake in the RoSaT, Gotenks feels confident in his ability to decimate Boo after Piccolo told him to get serious. Now... Chapter: 495 (DBZ 301), P13.3- Context: as Gotenks beats up on Boo Goku: “Amazin’, amazin’! At this rate, Gohan ain’t gonna get a turn!” Kaioshin: “Oh!” And if that isn't enough... Chapter: 499 (DBZ 305), P4.4 Context: Boo says Goten and Trunks are scared to fight him Trunks: “Looks like you don’t understand a thing! If we hadn’t returned to normal back then, we definitely would have won that fight!” Now, we know Trunks is a cocky little brat, but once Piccolo yells at Gotenks to get serious, even Super Boo cannot touch them and is royally tooled. I feel that Super Boo after escaping the RoSaT is finally at full power. Couple that with the fact that he was getting tooled by Serious SSJ3 Gotenks, the fact that Trunks says that Mystic Gohan is just "a little" stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks and you arrive at... Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks > Super Boo. I rest my case. |
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| SSJ | Jan 20 2013, 09:27 PM Post #4 |
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If that Kamehameha hit Super Buu, I think we could bank on Buu regenerating. Buu's regeneration is just that extreme (fusion line lol). Confidence < Ability. Majin Vegeta was confident that he would have enough power to destroy Buu, but Buu was able to come back from that. Later on against Gohan, Buu even self destructs himself before he disappeared. His was even able to come back without damage from his own self destruction. Buu has nearly infinite stamina and endurance. He can just keep coming back. I don't think that Buu was at full power yet because he was not angry yet. I think that Buus power rises with anger, like it did when he ripped a hole in the chamber, and like he did when ripped a hole in the universe. Now as for your point about the boys being cocky: Chapter: 495 (DBZ 301), P8.2 Context: after Gotenks gets caught off guard and body-slammed by Boo Piccolo: “Da-damn it! Talk about a hero who leaves himself wide open!” Even outside of the Rosat when they were more serious, they still acted like cocky punks. I think his cockiness would contribute to his loss. Edited by SSJ, Jan 20 2013, 09:30 PM.
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Jan 20 2013, 09:39 PM Post #5 |
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I don't believe this is relevant to our argument, as Majin Vegeta didn't know Majin Boo could regenerate from little bits and pieces. Gotenks did, and he even heard Piccolo say "we should've made him into nothing using our ki!"
Gohan makes it clear that Boo was not attempting to self destruct after Trunks says he was. It was nothing more than a distraction, as he quickly hid his ki and ran. Trunks: But he just blew himself up! He tried to take you with him! Gohan: If that's what he was doing, he would've destroyed the whole Earth...
I'd say he was plenty angry. After the Die-Die Missle Barrage, Boo is quite angry with his expression and veins popping out of his body. Angry Super Boo vs. SSJ3 Gotenks Edit: He might not be STEAMING angry there, but he appears way angrier then when he's fighting Gohan. Edited by GridZero, Jan 20 2013, 09:39 PM.
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| SSJ | Jan 20 2013, 09:47 PM Post #6 |
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Yeah I agree that he was pissed, but not to the extent that he would rip the universe or anything. I'm going to go back to my initial argument and say that Buu wasn't going all out yet. He saved Gotenks for the more important fight. And to make a point about the self destruction, Gotenks put an attack on Buu that could have easily destroyed the earth, and he came out 100% fine, only his pride was hurt. If he self destructed with the intent to kill like you say, I think he would still generate back. Buus regeneration gives him the edge. |
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Jan 20 2013, 09:51 PM Post #7 |
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The problem with that argument is if you believe he wasn't all out at the fight with Gotenks, then you do not believe he was Full Power when ripping a hole through the RoSaT. He is never stated to power down after that. Furthermore, he's not stated to power up @Gohan ; so he was probably already FP by then, indicating he was also at Full Power when he faced Gotenks. Lastly, regeneration does not give him a huge end, as evidenced by Gotenk's Super Kamikaze Ghost Attack which turned Boo into little bits and pieces. Had Piccolo wised up and used ki, that would've been the end of Super Boo as we knew it. Edit: edge* wtf Edited by GridZero, Jan 20 2013, 09:53 PM.
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Jan 20 2013, 09:57 PM Post #8 |
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Sorry, I'm new here, can you please quickly explain why no one else is allowed to participate in this thread? It seems to me if this is excluded for 2 people, you'd just do this through PMs. |
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| + Kyouks | Jan 20 2013, 10:01 PM Post #9 |
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There's a tournament going on, and this is one of the debates. Better if the forum sees what's going on in the debate as well. Thanks for understanding, and I'm sorry if that wasn't made clear in the opening post. Hope you enjoy watching. Edited by Kyouks, Jan 20 2013, 10:04 PM.
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| SSJ | Jan 20 2013, 10:07 PM Post #10 |
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Ok I will try to reason with some scans. Spoiler: click to toggle As you can see here, Super Buu has the ability to change the shape of his body and he uses this to his advantage. He is also able to block Gotenks' punch with ease, and even put in a decent counter. You can see by the surprise on Gotenks' face that he was not expecting Buu to be able to block that punch so easily. Gotenks put a lot of power into that punch. Spoiler: click to toggle Super Buu is even able to destroy the majority of the look out by throwing Gotenks into it, and it looks like it dealt Gotenks a decent amount of pain. Spoiler: click to toggle As seen here, Buu is able to surpirse Gotenks with his speed, and gets some good hits in. For these reasons I believe Super Buu ~> Gotenks. |
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Jan 20 2013, 10:14 PM Post #11 |
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All of that is true, but once Piccolo yells at Gotenks to get serious, you'll see that the fight is extremely one sided after that. Immediately after Piccolo yells at Gotenks, Super Boo can't even get a hit in. Look at Super Boo's facial expression when Gotenks is only cosmetically damaged and about to attack him. Finally, two pages of the grand beat down Gotenks puts on Super Boo where Super Boo can't even retaliate. Note: Goku says that if the fight continues at that pace, Gohan will not even get a chance. This to me screams Serious SSJ3 Gotenks > Super Boo. |
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| SSJ | Jan 21 2013, 12:59 AM Post #12 |
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Gohan: “…That was dirty, you bastard…You ingested the two of them into yourself…” Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…” Notice how Buu says that he should have been the absolute strongest until he sensed Gohan? I think that this can prove that he is above SSJ 3 Gotenks. This helps with my proof of why he kept Gotenks alive. Buu says that he was the strongest next to Gohan. |
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Jan 21 2013, 01:54 AM Post #13 |
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Your argument hinges on the idea that Super Boo sensed Mystic Gohan after he exited the RoSaT. If he did not, and sensed him before the RoSaT, thus before his fights with Gotenks, all it proves is Mystic Gohan > Super Boo > Everyone Up To That Point. Does it not? |
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| SSJ | Jan 21 2013, 01:58 AM Post #14 |
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Not necessarily. I think that he may have sensed Gohan when he powered up infront of Old Kai, Goku, and Kaioshin. This happened while they were fighting outside of the Rosat. Since Buu says that he should have been the strongest until he sensed Gohan, Super Buu ~> Gotenks. |
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Jan 21 2013, 02:01 AM Post #15 |
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Super Boo also might have sensed him before when he powered up in front of the same three people, but before Gotenks fought Super Boo. This is when I think he sensed him. Honestly would not make sense for him to sense him in the second occasion and come up with a plan that astoundingly quickly. |
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