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| Strawberry | Jan 20 2013, 02:01 AM Post #31 |
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I understand that Becca. But I personally believe there's only so much the mods we have now can do in the DBZ section. I said I'd be more present in that section and I'll stick to my word, but my current lack of interest in DBZ will always hold me back from being as competent there as a new forum mod who's regular there could be. |
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Absolutely no disrespect intended here but...
This is how I feel at this point. I'm not saying I want that power, or saying that anyone is terrible in general, but this entire topic would not exist if someone with vast knowledge on Z were a Moderator in that section. |
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Jan 20 2013, 02:06 AM Post #33 |
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I think if it did come down to it and we were to pick people to become moderators of the Dragonball section, we would only allow them to moderator that section. But that makes it also dangerous, to the point where some members might regress against the users we choose promotion. Okay, so you are going to debate that and say, let the members vote on who becomes the Dragonball Moderators. That's even worse, because it would be a bias choice. I can name three members who would be chosen by the members to be moderators, they would be chosen because they "are popular" not because they have the experience moderating. You have to know, the thing about being a moderator is, you need to know your job title. Sure, you can always mess around now and then, have good fun, but there is a thick line of authority you must maintain. If a friend you are close too is posting inappropriately and you give them slack and then the next person who posts on the same level you warn, it's unfair. There is so much in depth of making just Dragonball moderators, we would have to discuss this as a staff team. I think a better choice would be promote the report button and pick a couple of our current staff to pay extra attention to the dragonball section. But as for picking members to be moderators of that section, if we do, I say it is staff chosen so we have no bias. Like this "Drew for Mod" , "whoever for mod" stuff is non-sense. A Moderator is earned by the respect of members and staff. Don't get me wrong, I love you Drew, you have my dearest respect on this forum and in-favor, but if chosen moderators are picked, I think it should be people we all decide on. Like I said, I'm an adviser, I have full moderation power, but I don't have expectations like a moderator doe's. I'm glad, I administrate and own my own forum and administrate another Dragonball forum and thats already excessive. |
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| Strawberry | Jan 20 2013, 02:08 AM Post #34 |
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I'm sorry you feel that way. Stating that repeatedly won't help fixing the problem you guys are exposing in this thread though. And even if the DBZ section needs work, the mods still work harder than you may think. You guys also don't see what goes on backstage with mod discussions. We're constantly trying to improve the forum and come up with better and more practical solutions/rules than the ones we had before. |
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| EMIYA | Jan 20 2013, 02:10 AM Post #35 |
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You ever heard of the "Bystandard Effect" it's a psycho-sociological issue in which people in a large group are less likely to seek help than those by themselves. You're saying people to just ignore the posts. Good luck with that with the 100+ users who come on here daily. Heck, people actually post in those topic seriously, trying to express a real viewpoint and will legtimately answer the thread. When you've got so many people in, it starts to get out of hand and as mentioned before, "Bystandard Effect" can easily occur. People believe that someone else will dwelve into the problem and will oftne leave it unchecked. I can bet you that a lot of people didn't report it, because they felt it was already being reported in the first place. It's a psycho-social issue and you can't control it. Seriously, try it, try telling people "Just ignore the trolls" and see how well it works. It does not, it fails spectacularly because your basically wanting every single person on here to behave in such a way and it's pretty obvious that the human psychology, especially when it comes to forums and posts can't help it. It's the same kind of BS you tell people "Hey sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." It's never worked, a few words can cause a huge load of problems and people won't just ignore it. Don't expect people to ignore a topic, for seveal reasons as I just mentioned. Hence why we need a more aggressive moderation for the forum. There are many people who visit the DBZ section on a regular basis daily that would be make great moderators. Many of whom have been on this forum for a very long time, have a great amount of knowledge on DBZ and perhaps most importantly...are actually on the DBZ section. I see these people on all the time, always posting, always on the forum, always giving out their knowledge. A good moderator shouldn't just be someone who goes into a forum and just deletes something every so often, a good moderator should really be in touch with the members themselves. And when you have a moderator that visits the section more often, the more often that section will actually be looked into, the more likely spam, troll topics, dupes and what not will be more like to be caught. Plus, it allow as mentioned the moderators to really get to know the members and the the sectoin itself instead of just being a plain mod that visits every so often. And you know what, if it doesn't work, you can always head up to the administration adn say "Hey, this new mod sucks he's not doing anything, this is a waste of time..." and get him/her out of the way. But there's too much of a psycho-social issue jsut to expect people to ignore it, even if they actually want to. It's really not that easy. I'm telling this as a Psycho-Sociologist major himself, who has taken multiple classes on these kind of things. All I, and I believe Snake and everyone else is asking is that we want a moderator that is more applied to the section. I have nothing against the other moderators, I honestly barely know them myself, but I barely see them on. Most of the moderators that I see that come on the DBZ section are only there to deal with a topic that needs to be closed. I barely, if at all see these same mods come down and just join the rest of members in a good old discussion. And that I think is what needs to change. Edited by EMIYA, Jan 20 2013, 02:15 AM.
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| * -Zero- | Jan 20 2013, 02:15 AM Post #36 |
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Apparently having a support team is meaningless as I come here on the forum and see a topic like this in forum discussion, basically giving me a huge slap in the face. So let me get this right, Staff are supposed to see the hundreds and hundreds of posts we see in a day but members find it ok to spam and troll just because a mod isn't on at the time to close the topic. Doesn't sound like anyone I would ever vote to become a mod. Funny for people who are talking about responsibility sure don't show any when one thing makes it ok to troll or spam a topic Does anyone know what mods talk about in the staff section?? Heck just recently we had a meeting and spoke about one of the sections in DB that's out of control. Why don't we say anything? Because we only make announcements when definitive decisions are made. If you use the report button it will be taken care of when a mid is on simple as that. Sometimes a topic can get crazy and get 10 pages in a matter of a half hour, mostly because members felt that just because it wasn't closed yet they have the right to spam. I mean fresh, a mod isn't on for half a hour we are such terrible mods. Nothing gives anyone the right to troll or spam simple as that. You want to work something out with staff team? I'm willing to listen and take criticism but admit your own faults as well, a lot of things could be avoided if people simply learned not to post when they don't have to. |
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| Strawberry | Jan 20 2013, 02:15 AM Post #37 |
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^^ Human psychology is complex as you know. No one is saying it is easy to ignore trolls and flagrant provocations. I understand it's not. But it's still not the correct way to deal with those issues and that really needs to be underlined in this thread. We're asking the members to do the best they can to not feed the trolls and flaming discussions. As for your second point, again, I agree. I'm actually considering making a parallel thread in the staff section to discuss not only the creation of a forum mod group, but also adjustments in the current staff system. Edited by Strawberry, Jan 20 2013, 02:16 AM.
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| * Light | Jan 20 2013, 02:20 AM Post #38 |
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I think there does need to be an element of restraint from the members though. I fully agree about needing a moderator versed in the DBZ section, I disagree with your psychological summary though, I'm sure it's factually correct if you say that it is but it isn't too much too expect for members not to fight spam with spam. It's the same logic my Grandad used, he always said 'fight fire with fire'. He killed 5 people and severely maimed another 11. Yes it can be frustrating but it's no excuse, it creates more issues and can put a moderator in the difficult position of having to deal with a situation where usually model members are breaking rules. I don't see the logic in spamming in a spam thread at all. |
 
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Jan 20 2013, 02:27 AM Post #39 |
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What? Was that rhetorical. Anyways, all I'm saying is, this needs to be discussed in depth upon our Staff Team. We do have one of those, since in this topic I get the sense of people saying that we don't have one, but we do. I try my best man. I've been on this forum for 8 years! , that's right, 8 years! I've been Co-Administrator, Super Mod, Mod, GFX Team. God , I was the first Administration Adviser. I have 4 little ones, to look after. I maintain a full time job, two forums.... A fiance who needs attention. A drug addiction to fight. But still....Somehow , recently, i've put focus onto this forum, so I can moderate and post and be a contributor. But, in recent time, it seems some members have been rebelling or pushing to change the staff team. If you have a problem, we do have a feedback form. Please damn use it. If you see spam or a troll, Report, REPORT , REPORT. You act like we ignore it, no we don't. I don't get paid on my forum, this forum or the other forum I admin to do a job....BUT I DO THE BEST I CAN WHEN I CAN.. With this said, I think this issue could of been brought up more friendlier , without making our staff team feel useless. You think you can do a better job, but you don't know that our staff team is daily bringing up ideas to improve the forum. To end on my part, I will agree to take part in nominating members, but it doesn't mean i'll agree with the decision. I think there is other ways around this. But once again, I'm just a stupid adviser and worst staff nominated every year....right? Even though, I've contributed one of the most to this forum back in the day. This topic almost makes me want to flush the 8 years down the drain i've spent here, because I feel sympathy for our moderators who try to do their *****ing job to the best of their ability, Sousen, Copy, Lord, Straw, Zero, Neci...They all do a *****ING damn good job. |
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| Cal | Jan 20 2013, 02:27 AM Post #40 |
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That's not fair Zero and you know it. Some of us belive things should be discussed with community as a whole.
What does fussing about members have to do with the topic or being a mod?
So, does that mean forum topics created by members with suggestions are of no use?
This isn't about the report button. Culture change. No one doubts that you can't close a thread or something.
You're willing to take criticism? You just roasted members here because they're making a suggestion and you got tied into an isolated incident which isn't even what the topic is about. -- Not being mean, but think before you post, especially your opening there. What a joke. |
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| EMIYA | Jan 20 2013, 02:31 AM Post #41 |
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There's another thing I'm noticing with the mods. A lot of you say that you have other things to do, "The Real Life" if you will. You've got work, you've got families to take care of, sometimes you can't be bothered to get on the forum as often. Isn't that all the more reaosn to pass the torch down to the next generation (There are some young people on here, who certainly have more time to be on) and then when they get older, don't have the time, patience, whatever to keep moderating they'll pass the moderator torch down to the next generation of forum goers.
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| Strawberry | Jan 20 2013, 02:32 AM Post #42 |
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- 1 MINUTE OF YOUR ATTENTION, PLEASE. I'd like to ask everyone posting in this thread -- members, mods... everyone -- to remain civil and not incite a heated argument here because there's no need for that. Members, you're being heard and a discussion is already going on in the staff section and will continue to go on. Let's not turn this thread into a members VS mods war. That nuance to this discussion isn't appreciated nor welcome. We're on the same side. |
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| * Light | Jan 20 2013, 02:33 AM Post #43 |
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It was meant to be a joke, now I'm self conscious :P Just want to say that I think this discussion is good, we should keep it constructive as that's how we'll best come to a solution that hopefully everyone can agree with. (Not saying anyone has taken it too far but it's best for all if we keep posting in a cool fashion, or that anyone has to pay an ounce of attention to me either lol). I'm going to stop posting because I haven't got anything to add. Edit: Well I posted this a few seconds too late, swing and a miss from me :P Edited by Light, Jan 20 2013, 02:33 AM.
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| Strawberry | Jan 20 2013, 02:39 AM Post #44 |
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Who here would like to see Forum Mods being added to the DBZ section? Like this post please if you agree with that measure. |
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| EMIYA | Jan 20 2013, 02:43 AM Post #45 |
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Please note that we don't just want a moderator for the section, we want someone who is willing to really be there, not just for moderation but as someone we members can really get to know. I'm not sure if this is what you meant but I truly wanted to get that point down. Don't just sent some random person to be a mod there, find someone who has been at the DBZ section for a while and has the knowledge and time willing to help us out. |
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