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Freeza Power Levels (DISREGARDING DAIZENSHUU)
Topic Started: Jan 19 2013, 07:35 PM (1,743 Views)
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Some gaps don't quite work if you use the Daizenshuu PLs; things get minimalist really fast. Going my own direction, I came up with this a while ago:

From 2nd Form Freeza up to SSJ Goku:

Form 2 Freeza: 1,060,000 (Initial)[1]
Form 2 Freeza: 1,200,000 (Power Up 1)[2]
Piccolo: 1,456,000 (Fused w/ Nail, Weighted)[3]
Form 2 Freeza: 1,750,000 (Power Up 2, 100%)[4]
Piccolo: 1,925,000 (Fused w/ Nail, Unweighted)[5]
Form 3 Freeza: 2,600,000 (Initial)[6]
Form 4 Freeza: 4,000,000 (Initial)[7]
Vegeta: 4,400,000 (Zenkai)[8]
Form 4 Freeza: 6,240,000 (Power Up 1)[9]
Son Goku: 7,500,000 (Zenkai)[10]
Form 4 Freeza: 7,000,000 - 8,000,000 (Power Up 2)[11]
Son Goku: 150,000,000 (Kamehameha, Kaio-Ken x20)[12]
Form 4 Freeza: 180,000,000 (50%)[13]
Form 4 Freeza: 360,000,000 (100%)[14]
Son Goku: 400,000,000 (SSJ)[15]

Thoughts? Please don't reply seriously unless you've at least considered these levels by checking the corresponding quotes/explanations
[1] Freeza: "At any rate, my power is excessive. Perhaps I've overdone it... Kukkukku... Incidentally, if [my strength] were put into battle power, it would be over 1,000,000, surely..."
Vegeta: “Wh-what!?”

[2] Piccolo: “Freeza’s power rose all at once…! I’m coming, Gohan!”, Gohan: “It…it can’t be…His ki power is getting even stronger…!”
Vegeta: “Ho…how can this be?...To think that he could control his battle power…!”

[3] Kuririn: “In-incredible…[Piccolo]’s fighting evenly with Freeza…”
Vegeta: “No…no…He’s more than [even]…”

[4] Context: after second form Freeza starts fighting more seriously
Freeza: “You realized just now, right? That you underestimated me. But you’re better than I imagined. That’s what made me show you my true ability.”

[5] Context: after second form Freeza beats Piccolo up, and Piccolo finally removes his weights
Piccolo: “Me too. I’ll get serious…”
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Freeza: “Are you saying you weren’t serious before? Kukkukkuh…I didn’t know Namekians told jokes…”
Piccolo: “You’ll see soon enough.”

[6] Vegeta: “Id-idiot! Check out his latent power…! It’s a different thing than what it was before…! What’s more, he’s regained his composure and has become calm…”, Piccolo: “Damn him! You may be more powerful, but I’m faster! You couldn’t catch up to me even if you spent your entire lifetime!”, Piccolo: “H-he’s fast…!”
Kuririn: “He’s outrageously fast! There’s no way to dodge that…!”
(negates previous speed statement), Goku: “Damn it...What’s happening…?! Freeza’s ki got stronger again! Now even if my body’s fully healed, I might not be able to beat him…What should I do?...I give up…”
[7] Freeza: “Though it’d be simple to pulverize you all in this form…Before you die, I’ll show you the ultimate power, more fearsome than death!”, Piccolo: “Wh-what an absurdly large ki….!”
[8] Vegeta: “Freeza’s battle power…! So he’s finally shown his true form, huh?...Well, I don’t care if Freeza or anyone else comes at me…! I’ve just now become a Super Saiyan…!”
[9] Freeza: “I get just a little serious and raise my speed, and it seems that you can’t keep up with me…Are you really a Super Saiyan?...”
Vegeta: “Im-impossible…”
, Piccolo: “H-he knocked that back with just a kick…”
Kuririn: “That should have been Vegeta’s full power strike…He’s too incredible…”

[10] Goku: “I’ve gotten strong! My power just keeps gushing forth…! Unbelievable…! And here I thought I was already about at my limits…This is enough to scare even me…”, Context: after Freeza fires finger beams at Goku
Freeza: “It can’t be…He knocked them all back…with one hand…”
(note: I place him so high mostly because of the finger beam feat)
[11] Kaio: “They’re having a good match…
[12] Goku's PL times 20
[13] Context: after the Kaio-Ken x20 Kamehameha doesn’t hurt Freeza much
Goku: “…! D-damn it all…!”
, Kuririn: “Un-unbelievable…Goku’s Kamehameha just now ought to have had outrageous power…So why did Freeza take hardly any damage…!?”, Freeza: “Th-that was dangerous…Wh-why did he have such stupendous power?...Damn Saiyan! That hurt just now…IT HURT!”
[14] Freeza's 50% power times 2
[15] Tenshinhan: “B-but, to think that a Super Saiyan would be so incredible…Now Goku’s strength is the best in the universe…It’s like he’s become someone on a distant world…”, Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P10.1-4
Freeza: “Though we’ve avoided having the planet instantly explode, its core has been destroyed…Do you know what that means? Even if left alone, after 5 minutes this time there will definitely be a huge explosion, and Planet Namek will become space dust…”
Goku: “What!?...5 minutes will be enough for me to defeat you and escape in the spaceship I rode here from Earth.”
, Chapter: 325 (DBZ 131), P9.1
Context: Goku continues to explains why he doesn’t feel like fighting Freeza anymore
Goku: “I’m already satisfied. Your pride is in tatters…Someone has appeared who surpasses you, Freeza, who supposedly no one in this world could surpass…And this person was merely a Saiyan…”

Edited by Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs, Jan 21 2013, 05:41 PM.
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This proves that Daizen is a pile of lumpy plumpy pooh...

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Form 2 Freeza: 1,400,000 (Power Up 2)
Piccolo: 1,600,000 (Fused w/ Nail, Weighted)
They fight nearly evenly. Piccolo should just be a tad stronger because of how his blast pissed off 2nd form Freeza, and even then there's the possibility of slight amplification. But really, anywhere from 2~4% should cover this gap.

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Form 2 Freeza: 1,200,000 (Power Up 1)
Form 2 Freeza: 1,400,000 (Power Up 2)
I checked your references, but they refer to the same power up. I checked the manga pages as well.

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Piccolo: 1,600,000 (Fused w/ Nail, Weighted)
Form 2 Freeza: 1,950,000 (Power Up 3, 100%)
So the beatdown was worse than Vegeta on Dodoria? Looked more similar to Vegeta over normal Zarbon, if anything.

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Piccolo: 2,145,000 (Fused w/ Nail, Unweighted)
Form 3 Freeza: 2,700,000 (Initial)
Freeza blitzed him like Vegeta did Cui, and it was even more impressive in this case because Piccolo actually used some sexy evasion maneuver instead of just fleeing. At least make the gap similar, like 1.3x or so.

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Form 4 Freeza: 4,000,000 (Initial)
Vegeta: 4,800,000 (Zenkai)
Form 4 Freeza: 6,240,000 (Power Up 1)
Not that I have a problem with it, but I wanna know why you think 1.2x is necessary for Vegeta over Initial Freeza. Why not 1.1x or something?

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Form 4 Freeza: 6,240,000 (Power Up 1)
Son Goku: 8,500,000 (Zenkai)
Dunno if the finger beam feat places him this high. Deflecting blasts ain't that special, Weighted Piccolo did that to 2nd form Freeza (pre full power) and they were about even.

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Son Goku: 8,500,000 (Zenkai)
Form 4 Freeza: 8,000,000 - 9,500,000 (Power Up 2)
A power up or varying effort?

Flying Bizness
 
Form 4 Freeza: 410,000,000 (100%)
Son Goku: 465,000,000 (SSJ)
Already went over this. Your reference for Son Goku's large advantage is referring to 50% Freeza. 100% Freeza rivals.

Overall, good work. I've already seen most of this from you before, but I figured I'd share my input once more anyways.

WolfangOverlord156
Jan 19 2013, 08:10 PM
This proves that Daizen is a pile of lumpy plumpy pooh...
Their power levels, yes. But that's old news. I can't fathom how this proves that the Daizenshuus are a lump of poo as a whole.
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Jan 19 2013, 08:10 PM
This proves that Daizen is a pile of lumpy plumpy pooh...

You take that back! They are good.
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Jan 19 2013, 08:19 PM
WolfangOverlord156
Jan 19 2013, 08:10 PM
This proves that Daizen is a pile of lumpy plumpy pooh...

You take that back! They are good.
For a matter of fact it isn't........
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Jan 19 2013, 08:26 PM
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Jan 19 2013, 08:19 PM
WolfangOverlord156
Jan 19 2013, 08:10 PM
This proves that Daizen is a pile of lumpy plumpy pooh...

You take that back! They are good.
For a matter of fact it isn't........
Go ahead and prove me wrong, punk!
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Daizenhuu are the official numbers if you ignore that then why not change every character BP.
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Jan 19 2013, 08:37 PM
Daizenhuu are the official numbers if you ignore that then why not change every character BP.
Because some make sense, some do not.
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Jan 19 2013, 08:26 PM
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Jan 19 2013, 08:19 PM
WolfangOverlord156
Jan 19 2013, 08:10 PM
This proves that Daizen is a pile of lumpy plumpy pooh...

You take that back! They are good.
For a matter of fact it isn't........
That's not fact at all. The Daizenshuus compile info from the manga. As long as they don't contradict the manga (which happens with power levels and the parts that use the anime, along with a few other instances in which outside organizations like TOEI got involved), then they're fine.

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Daizenhuu are the official numbers if you ignore that then why not change every character BP.
I still don't understand why you're on about this. The Daizenshuu has Piccolo at 3500, which you ignore. It also has Nappa at 4000, which you ignore. So why do you care when people ignore other levels? It's ridiculous.
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I expect everyone to add references to their Power Level lists now. It's very nicely done.
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Jan 19 2013, 09:07 PM
I expect everyone to add references to their Power Level lists now. It's very nicely done.
Man, my colorful details aren't enough?! :@
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Daizenshuu had Piccolo Daimao > Tien 23nd budokai

IIRC

Which its wrong..
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Jan 19 2013, 09:10 PM
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Jan 19 2013, 09:07 PM
I expect everyone to add references to their Power Level lists now. It's very nicely done.
Man, my colorful details aren't enough?! :@
Without the proper references, your list is imperfect!
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Znet had Raditz at 1,200, which is not the 1,500 the Daizenshuu had him at. Come on, son!
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Jan 19 2013, 10:35 PM
Znet had Raditz at 1,200, which is not the 1,500 the Daizenshuu had him at. Come on, son!


Who is this Znet you talk of.
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